2010 Kia Forte vs Mazda3 vs Toyota Corolla comparisson test
So, I’ve had the chance to spend a lot of time in the new 2010 Kia Forte and put it through paces on course. First off I got to run the 2.0LT LX Forte in an automatic and the 2.4 LT SX in the 6-Speed M/T. There was also a 2010 Mazda 3 and 2009 Toyota Corolla for me to test in comparison.
I’m not even going to talk about Toyota Corolla. That car is antiquated at best. Yes they drive nicely, but not nearly as nice as the other two and the styling and finish is dated already. Toyota needs a redesign.
The Mazda 3 is a nice car. Fit an finish is well done and it drives really nice ( not nicer than the Forte though). It handles well, feels good, and it was a lot of fun through the course. The Key difference between the Forte and the Mazda are what the Mazda doesn’t have. It has less features, less horsepower and torque, and less space, and when it all adds up it costs $6,000.00 more.
And now the Kia Forte…
This car is impressive. What KIA did to change it’s face with the SOUL, it has done again with the FORTE. Aside from the course I also got to take it out for a one hour road and highway test drive. (continue your read after the jump!)
It handles beautifully. This car hugs the road well, the suspension is crisp and responsive, with a good sensing of what the car is doing. The SX package gets the sport tuned suspension and it is noticeable, everything is tighter and just has that little extra. One of the surprising elements was how smooth and quite the ride was, it obviously falls into the compact sedan segment but ride of this car feels bigger than it actually is.
One of the significant differences between the Soul and Kia Forte is the engines. The Forte gets two brand new engines. The 2.0L is the very same engine as the entry level Hyundai Genesis Coupe without the turbo. That engine obviously has an available turbo option and can be tuned to well over 200hp. The 2.4L is brand new as well and can be taken to over 300hp. Both of these engine also carry a timing chain where the Soul 2.0 is a timing belt.
The SX Forte in the 6-Speed M/T is a really nice gear box. Really smooth shifting through the gate, and a hydraulic clutch that has a lot of action right of the floor (very similar to the Soul).
Interior finishing is really nicely done, nice quality material finishing (the doors seems more durable than the Soul), well laid out controls, the same steering wheel as the Soul, and in the SX automatic climate control with a factory installed GPS option.
KIA has outdone itself with this new addiction to the segment. We’re looking at a real leader here, it has set a new bar for standards. In the Specs alone for standard features, power, and space the Forte is way out in front. The only real car missing from the comparison was the Civic. Having driven a Civic and now this, Honda has something to worry about as the Forte is smoother quieter, and crisper.
Next On deck is the Kia Forte Koup and I can’t wait to put it through the paces. If the Forte is this nice a ride in the sedan, the Koup is going to be a blast.
This was a guest post written by Thegarth, a member of our Kia Soul Forums, who obviously enjoyed driving the new Forte sedan. THANK YOU for the write up, Thegarth!!
P.S. The all-new 2010 Forte will be available at US dealerships starting from June 2009.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Just a note. The Forte has been available in Canada for over a month. I have to agree that it is an extremely accomplished vehicle & as it lists for the same as the Soul at the upper end, obviously a better value
May 7th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Yup, it was on sale since March, but not full month I think. And 30+ units were sold.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
i can’t wait to drive one. i am looking forward to having them on my lot
May 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
I have to agree with thegarth, the forte blows the competition out of the water. Its fit and finish is more along the lines of the VW/Audi for obvious reason, the interior space makes you scratch your head and wonder how they made all the space inside of this car “ITS HUGE!” But if a company like kia can take a car like the spectra and replace it with something like forte you gotta think “what else are they capable of?” Having driven the koup and the SX I can tell you the KOUP is AMAZING it is really something for the rest of the market to fear.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:41 am
i can NOT wait! i’ve been SO set on the soul but when i saw the Koup i had to go for that. i’ve already been saving my pennies for the soul so when the Koup comes out i’ll have plenty of moolah to pay for it or put down on it. that’s GARTH for the GREAT review & i can’t wait to test it myself
May 8th, 2009 at 12:49 am
There is no way to beat the Forte! R.I.P. Civic!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
I have been driving my Forte for a few months now and I think it is one of the handling and riding car out there. It has great power for passing and handling is amazing I can push this car farther and faster into the corner than anything I have driven so far. People are going to Love the way and looks, drives and handles.. this is definitely going to be a great seller.. I am anxiously looking forward to the Forte Koup. I just hope they Turbocharge it.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:58 am
The new Face of KIA it’s started with the CEE’D , contiued with soul , Now with Forte/Cerato and later this year with KOUP. I think with KOUP, KIA has BOOST the market.
DARREN FROM MALTA.
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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3101916
May 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
AGAIN as posted for the Soul. Competitive, realistic, innovation, yes! But no station wagon or five door hatchback. No listed trailer towing capacity. And no diesel. What will it take for an automaker to produce a practical car such that one car can do necessary workday and intown travel as economically as possible and then “expand” to take a family on vacation, support local recreation with small boats or camping gear, and thus provide an alternative to an SUV.
Ford with its Escort, and Honda and Toyota, used to do this but in the United States there does seem a conspiracy to avoid providing a sustainable family useful small car.
Station wagon space, towing capacity, and diesel. Too difficult to consider?
May 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
the Rondo is a station wagon/5 door hatchback and can tow, but no diesel.
In response to this presentation, I’ve posted some competitive info and photos for the Forte.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
cliffpa look at the rondo for gas miles and room but not ment for towing. you can get a luggage rack on top but if you are looking to get a car that can tow a trailer you need to find something way bigger and accept the gas mile pains.
May 9th, 2009 at 2:19 am
CliffPa its not Kia, its the US Government. They are the ones dictating what we can and cannot have. Tell your Senator and congressmen. I am sure Kia will build what ever sells. You can always buy an aftermarket trailer hitch and put it on yourself..
May 9th, 2009 at 2:52 am
what about the supposed diesel borrego we were supposed to get? & is there still a chance of a diesel sorrento? or is that out too? outside of kia, you could go to benz for the small GLK or ML suv’s that are unibody, relatively light weight, and offer their new “bluetec” diesel engines. nothing comes to mind @ the moment that’s anything cheaper than benz. cuz they’re obviously a lot more than kia, etc.
May 9th, 2009 at 3:42 am
I like the jubilation from all of you above with this vehicle but lets get it some perspactive. Here in Australia we are stuck with the 2 Liter engine and I can’t see for the life of me why they don’t have the 2.4 Liter here if the fuel usage is about the same with either engine. Most people would go for the extra power and torque any time.
Anyway, here’s a quote from a local motoring magazine here, apart from being resonably impressed with the design and the quality of the Forte/Cerato his final comments were…….
On the Road…
“The improvements weren’t limited to the appearance and packaging. The performance from the 2.0 Liter engine is as good as most in it’s class, albeit a little bit noisy under load and at the higher revs. However, for normal duties of driving in calm traffic it is quiet enough, and handling is also adequate for a car this size.”
Summary….
“The market knows they get what they pay for and in a shrinking new car market where value reings supreme, the Cerato is likely to succeed.”
So, he wasn’t going over the moon here, but “reasonably impressed”.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Of topic… wasn’t it Himi’s birthday yesterday?
May 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Yup I had a B-Day yesterday and turned 28! I was surprised to see an updated KIA-WORLD logo – done by the designers/developers of the KIA-WORLD!
May 10th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
i would probably question the objectivity of this ‘review’… a few points, the kia has a beam rear axle while the mazda is independent
where i am the kia’s top line model is about the same price as the mazda base model
i like the conservative styling of the kia while the mazda ‘nagare’ styling makes me want to punch random people in the face
i found the kia’s interior to be competitive but not as nice as the pictures make it out to be but acceptable none the less and miles ahead of the spray silver finish in mazdas and toyotas
like many people here i await the day when kia decide to mate the Ceed/Soul CRDi with the Forte and perhaps how about a 5 door liftback/wagon body?
July 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I’m sorry…but I just can’t imagine owing a kia…Honda and Toyota have nothing to worry about. The saying is, you get what you pay for. And either kia is paying little kids a pennie a day, or they are really cutting corners somewhere. I’ll keep my jap cars thank you.
July 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
“notafan”
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You do get what you pay for, thing is, it is cheaper to build the same quality cars in Korea than Japan, that is all. Why pay more for essentially the same thing?
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:41 am
Because it’s not the same thing. I’ve driven a few kia’s. Lately was a rio and a sorento. both were crap.
I’m compaing them to Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Mitsu. Nothing to compare on the japs to the korean’s.
Sorry, but they just don’t cut it.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:05 am
LOL! Rio and Sorento are the two worst vehicles in the line-up, and both will be replaced within 16 months! Drive a Borrego if you want to see Kia’s quality.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 am
Mitsubishi? haha, their interiors are constantly criticized in reviews I read for the cheapness, not to metion Subaru’s subjective styling which also is criticized. Toyotas are always boring and uninvolved. Honda… I have been in a couple, nothing special at all.
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Greg: Then need I say more….you want me to test drive their most expensive vehicle and compare that LOL…I can’t imagine spending that kind of money on a kia only to have it worth nothing in a few hours after I buy it.
Martin: styling can’t be compared to anything because thats just an opinion…I have never heard anything bad on Mitsu interiors, GM, but not Mitsu, Toyota is just a all around refined vehicle for everyday use and if you think Honda is nothing special then what the hell do you think of kia LOL
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
it depreciates about the same as other vehicles. You buy it lower, you sell it lower.
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
If you ask anyone that knows nothing about the automotive industry or cars for that matter who makes the best cars, they say Toyota or Honda. These are the the same people who know nothing about politics that voted for Obama. They believe everything they read in consumer reports and car and driver or in the case of politics in an infomercial.
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Nobody believed in Honda in the 1970′s but look at the public’s perception now. Kia is growing at a much faster rate than Honda ever did. Where do you think that puts Kia in 20 years? Kia has shown consecutive quarterly gains through 2008 and now in 2009. What do you think thats going to do for resale value? Supply and demand influence a cars resale more than any other factor. What do you think is easier to find used right now? A Scion or a soul?
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
notafan, The latest Lancer has been criticized of a cheap interior for what you pay. Look on Caradvice.com.au. Honda’s are nothing special, they are overpriced and pretty bloody average, at least KIA don’t rip off their customers the same way, you do get what you pay for, unlike in a Honda where you pay extra for very little. I think Korean build quality is superior to the Thailand built Hondas, haha. Toyota, nothing against them, they have proven themselves, just the overwhealming response I have been reading here in Australia, is that the Cerato is the better pick than the Corolla. You are right about styling, but general perception again, the latest Subaru’s are… ugly.
July 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
The new Subaru signature talights on the legacy is nothing special just look at the 1998 Ford Taurus.
July 3rd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Typical Kia responces…do you people own apples by any chance? You all sound just like them as well.
July 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Hey notafan you don’t do your research your stuck on Korean models in the past.. You don’t know nothing about up to date Kias. Like how the Borrego won an award over the new Toyota Landcrusier. Or how the HYundai Genesis won car of the year over Lexus, BMW or Acuras let alone the G8. You must now know how Mercedes is switching their engines to Hyundai’s engines. Wow they picked Hyundai to do their transmissions over Toyota, HOnda, Mitsubishi and whatever else car you think is 100% PERFECT. Wow, so when you purchase a Benz, soon your putting more money in the Koreans pockets to better their future technology. Also this gives Hyundai/Kia the experieance on what it’s like to make good transmissions for German cars. Couldn’t that improve the Genesis and CH? So the million dollar question is if Korean cars are crap, why did Mercedes pick Hyundai to do their transmissions and not Honda or Toyota? They can’t be too crapy. But if I were like you and I didn’t know anything about cars, I would join the bunch and pick Toyota. Oh yeah and don’t twist my commet I didn’t say Korean cars were better than anybody I just stated why have these things like awards and making transmissions for a German car happening. Oh yeah and one more thing, before you bring your freinds to read and make other commets, remeber you started it and don’t twist things. That’s the losers way out twist commets around. Don’t forget my question was if Korean cars suck why is Mercedes using Hyundai/Kia’s transmission over Toyota and Honda that are 100 Perfect?
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
jtz…I can’t find anything to back that up.
Only thing I can find is hyundai has/had talks with benz to build a 4 cyl….but thats all I can find.
Do you have a link?
July 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
The link is on here. And I’m not helping you look for it all I know is that news is so old now that it’s got to be back in 2008.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Also if Korean cars suck, why did the cee’d win best quality award over BMW’s 2 door coupe? Why did the Sorento win best towing award several years in a row. Why did the Rio win best qualtiy award over the Toyota Yaris 3 years in a row? How and why is the Sedona the safest minivan ever tested? Why is the cee’d top 5 best excuse me top 3 best hatches to pick and the Mazda 3 ain’t? Why is it that the Borrego won an award by Edmunds why not the Landcrusier since it’s by Toyota that are just 100% perfect nothing bad happends with them. Why is it that the Forte is getting more attention than the perfect quality Corolla? Oh yeah and another reason why some people don’t want a 100% perfect Toyota maybe it’s because we don’t want a car that everyone else has maybe want to be different. Who cars of Honda and Toyotas are 100% we still like this brand and my Forte is a lot more Rare than a Civic or Corolla. There are less than 400 Fortes in the States right now and I’m glad because it’s rare. Higher sales might be good for Toyota and Honda but for the customers your just blending in with the rest. That’s one advantage non perfect Kia has over 100% non breakable, never loose in raceing, never loose value Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi whatever else you said. Oh yeah and don’t twist my commets. Most of that information is on here. And most of the cee’d's awards I say click the 2007 year. I don’t care if Kia never gets as good as Toyota I don’t want the Camry, Accord, Civic, or Corolla becuase who’s going to ask me what is that when they have one there own self? I hope my Forte SX can stay rare at least for another year.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
If you have a Borrego why is that stupid, I don’t want a LEXus RX that’s not rare. 2010 Sorento that will be rare I don’t want a Highlander they’re not rare. The Forte is rare. The VG well be rare, but I don’t want no Avalon they’re not rare or no Lexus ES because they’re not rare. I don’t want Explorer, trailblazer, 4 runner they’re not rare but the Borrego is very very rare. Here’s another example if they were to come out with another redesigned Honda CRV around the 2011 Kia Sportage time, I’d pick the Korean SUV over the CRV. Why, because the Sportage well take longer to be all over the place than the CRV. That’s why I like Kia. When the Sorento first came out it was rare and actually it was a very good SUV as well according the Edmunds back in 2004 that rated it top 10 best off road SUVs.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
So I’m glad some people think Kia’s suck so that the cars can be less rare than Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans. And best of all, Kia’s new cars are getting out of that bang for your buck image into performance cars for your buck but my rare and fast Forte SX is just not 100% perfect like the Corolla or Civic. And I don’t car it’s fast, has featuers, comfortable, nice looking and eye catching. A civic can only be eyc catching for 1 day after it’s redesign the next day it needs a facelift.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Why else is it the Corolla needs to be redesign? Everyone has one and current Corolla has been out how many months?
July 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Wow, come to think of it imagine how happy someone will be once the Forte Koup arrives. It has performance, quality, style and best of all it’ll be rare. It’ll be more rare than the civic coupe (it looks better too).
July 4th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I see more Pontiac G8′s on the road than the Hyundai Genesis car of the year.
July 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I mean I see more Pontiac G8s on the road than the Hyundai Genesis car of the year. And after several months, I finally saw a Genesis coupe for the first time. I see more Infiniti G coupes.
July 4th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
If I could get a midsize sedan, it would be a Mazda 6 not a Camry, nor Accord nor Altima. The 6 is rare and a performance car. So you see I don’t care if Toyotas are the best selling cars in the world because they’re 100% perfect. What car do they have that not a lot of people have?
July 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
And if the Forte LPI comes to the states, I’ll get it over the Prius or Insight (look at the faces between the Insight and the VW CC).
July 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
in my opinion as are car salesmen the difference from one make to another is very small when it comes to quality. If you take care of your engine you should be ashamed of your self if you don’t get 150k miles. In the late 80 and early 90 Toyota and Honda where so much better then the other makes. Now a days everything is about the same. There are no junk cars being built in 2009 only people who treat there are like junk.
July 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
jtz…you are an idiot….how many reply’s do you need??? And you base what vehicle you buy on how ‘rare’ it is? c’mon…..
Greg, I was looking at the resale value, if I bought a $45,000 kia in 4 years it’s worth $13,000
isellkia, you seem to be the only one with a brain replying. I would have to agree with you on what you say. However, reading what I’ve read about kia, (and this is recent) I’m reading from consumer complaints:
“In fact, there are so many problems with Kias it’s hard to know where to start. Most cars have one or two problems that tend to be dominant — Ford’s 3.8l V-6 engine, to pick an infamous example. But with Kia, pretty much everything seems to go wrong.”
July 4th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
people who complain talk first and loud notafan. in my dealership we sell a lot of kia due to the fact it is the only new car we offer. I am very close to the service department guys and they are the hardest critics of them all. Even they say that the kia quality is very much improved. What don’t understand from notafan is what are you trying to prove. Why go to a kia forum and complain? You make statements that when you make it down its opinion. how do you know for sure that a 45k kia would sell for 13k in 4 years? I suspect you just get a strange thrill by offending people. Every time you read one of our posts you snicker to your self and think what can i say now to get them going.
When i sell cars to customers who are comparing a kia to a toyota or honda it always comes down to money. in the chicago land area you can get a 2009 toyota corola XLE with Sirius Satellite Radio, Sunroof, Rear Spoiler, Cruise Control, Carpet Floor Mats for 17,701 after a 1250 rebate. I sold a spectra with the same equipment for 14,325. My customer will have to pay over $3000 in repairs that are not warranty related to come out a looser. Not to mention we have the best warranty in America.
She plans on owning the car till 100,000 miles then trade it it. She is happy with the car how it looks and how it drives so why would she spend more money for a toyota brand when she can get a kia equipped the same for thousands less. The reason kia is selling cars is due to the fact we are a better value for your money. now that the quality is not that much different then the toyota there is no reason to waste money on a brand.
July 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I don’t get if your not a fan of something, why go to a blog that supports something your not a fan of and b***h?
July 4th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I’m going to answer my own question. Because this is the first time a Kia C segment sedan ever was near the best of it’s class than being closer to the bottom and you have a problem with that.
July 4th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I know for sure on the price drop in 4 years because it came right from kia’s website.
btw, they aren’t building transmissions for benz….they are looking at sharing engines…benz wants in on the world engine that mitsu, chrysler and hyundia are in…..big deal.
you make me laugh…I can tell you that much.
this will be my last post…as the replys here have pretty much proven to me that kia is NOT something I will own….it’s like owning one makes you turn to a dumbass and working for them even a bigger ass, as jtz has proven.
July 4th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Your not a fan and your on this blog what does that make you?
July 4th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0805_hyundai_engines/index.html
July 4th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I wonder why Mercedes wants Korean technology over Japanese technology? Wow I had no idea the 2.4L Lancer engine came from Korea.
July 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
notafan is a forum troll who likes to pick a fight. why would any normal person go to a kia website with the his first comment being
“I’m sorry…but I just can’t imagine owing a kia…Honda and Toyota have nothing to worry about. The saying is, you get what you pay for. And either kia is paying little kids a pennie a day, or they are really cutting corners somewhere. I’ll keep my jap cars thank you.”
His only goal was to offend people and be an annoyance. in my opinion it is sad.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I am Notafan’s doctor. I personally apologize for my patients behavior… he is a certified dumbass and psychopath by US department of health. He has been abused by his parents since he was 5, and he unfortunately developed a very serious personality disorder from it. Full diagnosis of him is yet to be done, but it seems apparent that he receives some form of sexual arousal from being ignorant and pissing other people off for no good reason. He is ought to be detained in a mental hospital with very restricted access to internet or other forms of communication technology, but he lives in massachusetts, and the state’s law currently doesn’t allow any forms of forced detainment.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:36 am
XD!!! lol
July 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
lmao! xD
July 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Hyundai/Kia motors donated money to the 9/11 relief fund . Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, and Mercedes Benz didn’t see fit to donate a dime! They sure don’t mind taking american money. It’s giving it back they have a problem with. That says alot to me about The south Koreans intensions in the U.S. They are bringing 5000 jobs to West Point Georgia at a time they’re needed the most. Honda and Toyota may make a good vehicle but they’ve got alot to learn about public relations. Even a struggling company like Harley Davidson donated 30 someting bikes to the NYPD after 9/11.
July 7th, 2009 at 12:31 am
I’m here to say I’m a duumbass
July 7th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Are you kidding me? A site for kia’s??? LOL
July 18th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Notofan:
I’m no Kia enthusiast nor about to buy one. I’d rather get a Honda before a Kia. But I did test drive the Forte and was surprised and impressed. Nothing major but still impressed.
But you are an idiot. The fact that you slam Kia and then think that Mitsubishi makes high quality vehicles says it all. Mitsu makes some of crappiest Japanese cars bar none.
The fact that you think otherwise makes you an idiot….regardless of what Kia’s turn out to be.
July 18th, 2009 at 12:38 am
lol, noz, you know NOTHING about Mitsu.
They have cars that out perform Ferrari and Lamborghini.
They outlast most of the other auto makers, they are very rugged vehicles.
I’d say you are the idiot, based on the comments above.
The fact you even test drove a kia makes me laugh at you
LOL
July 18th, 2009 at 2:23 am
JTZ, the Engines going into the Next Gen Rio and Accent are being tested in Mercedes A-classes first.
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Bombsy, if you truly knew anything about the Auto Biz, then you would know that Your loved Mitsubuishis are made with Souped up Hyundai/KIA Engines, in which Mistubuishi does a piss poor job of modifying them for power.
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BTW, Hyundai/KIA owns 30% of Mitsubuishi, and if I was them Id buy the rest of the company ditch the cars, and just use the name Mitsubuishi as a tuning company.
July 18th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Or Did you hear that faltering quality is adding insult to injury to Mitsubuishi, and they are looking to possibly exit the US Market. 80% sales declines for the last 12 months, while KIA is gaining by 10%.
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So whos the Idiot again? I thought so.
July 18th, 2009 at 2:33 am
You thought you were an idiot?
I agree.
July 18th, 2009 at 3:21 am
Thanks HyundaiSmoke for letting me know Koreans supports Mercedes too. The no. 1 question is this if korean cars and engines suck, why did benz chose hyundai over Honduh? That Lancer 2.4 engine is purchased from Hyundai. Oh yeah Hyundai quality is higher than Toyota and Huhduh this year. and I hear kia’s are over Nissan.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:50 am
bombsy2….
Morons like you make me laugh my ass off. You drive your souped up econo-sedan and put your cap on sideways while I drive my Ferrari or Lambo. I’ll let you beat me to the next light so you get your rocks off.
Mitsubishi make some of the crappiest quality Japanese cars. They are far below the levels of Mazda, Toyota, or Honda.
You better buy your Mitsub before their dealers close down…hurry along now douche. Your daddy needs to cut you a check.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
noz, you make ME laugh.
You knock mitsu…however, if it wasn’t for them, YOUR crappy shitbox kia’s wouldn’t even exist.
I find it funny that you call me a douche, because people who go around calling others that, are infact the real douch.
Now, you hurry along, go ask daddy to buy you a through away kia. I’m sure it will last you 4 years before you’ll need a new one….never mind the fact that in 4 years it’ll be worthless.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Well..since I’m not the one offering the reliability reports but actual owners and other legitimate sources are, you just need to STFU now.
The more drivel you spew out, the more you like a complete douchebag. You got owned…deal with it.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:50 am
I got owned? LOL You own a Kia…thats MORE then enough laugher for me
If anyone needs to stfu, it’s you. You are just upset that if it wasn’t for mitsu your crappy hyundai and kia wouldn’t exsit.
I see no proof anywhere that anyone wants a crappy hyundai engine for their car. All I see is some other companies want in on the world engines.
Big deal.
So, you can stfu now, douchebag
July 20th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Ok, thats enough guys.
First off, working for Kia, they aren’t as bad as they use to be, but we’re still not at Subaru, Honda or Toyota levels.
Hyundai/Kia are not going to be making anything for anyone else, they were interested in joining the world engine but they’ve decided not to go forward.
Noz, you need to stop acting like a little kid
July 20th, 2009 at 5:03 am
You know what I think, I’m thinking this is just someone who got laid off from GM and hates the fact Korean cars are taking over. I’m mean noticed that monthly we get someone on here downing Korean cars. And people like Hyundai Smoke or Noz or even me can say all the things we found out on here about Kia put them on here and yet it’ll still go through one ear and out the other. He could be salty because Kia is thinking about taking over all Saturn dealerships since Saturn is like not selling. When the 2010 VG, Sorento and Forte Koup arrives to show rooms, I KNOW they well be worth a lot after 4 years compared to Kias before they gotten the new signature grille. And if not, oh well. “If it wasn’t for Mitsubishi, there wouldn’t be Kia” true but now the tables have turned and Kia’s success is bothering you. If Kia went out of buessines like Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn you wouldn’t say what you said. He could also be jealous because Hyundai and Kia sell for less and he wants everyone in the world to go in debt trying to by a 2010 Lexus. But if I had the money to afford a Lexus, I would get the 2010 Sorento. I love my Kia Forte in quality, performance style and looks. Corollas and Civics can’t turn heads like my Forte can. Besides, I couldn’t afford bluetooth or sirius radio for $16,000. Oh yeah and one more thing, my 04′ Optima, which I purchased in fall of 03, was worth somehthing after FIVE years. Worth way more than you think. Good thing too it help lower my cost for my 2010 Kia Forte a lot
July 20th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Oh yeah if Hyundais are so crappy mercedes mitsubishi and Chrysler’s 2.0l and 2.4ls must be crappy too. The irony of it all is they picked Hyundai and not Toyota or Honda. Or they could have made there own.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:44 am
jtz, you sound like another one that needs to grow up.
again, mercedes isn’t using any of our engines. I think that one reason is it would hurt them because if people are going to spend $$$ for a mercedes when they have korean drivetrains that they can buy for a lot less.
it’s like vw trying to sell the dodge caravan for alot higher price when in fact it’s really the same cheap vehicle.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:51 am
The Routan is a joke.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:40 am
isellkia
Please shut up. Don’t go around telling people they need to grow up or are acting like kids. I’m not sure what your level of reading comprehension is but in case didn’t notice, I’m not one going around trying act like a douche regarding Kias and what not. WTF is wrong with you? Incredible…seriously.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am
And bombsy…you dumbass…I don’t own a Kia. Learn to read for crying out loud.
Needless to say, whine all you want…the stats on Mitsubishi reliability is what it is. All that drivel you spew out isn’t go to change that. It will, however, just make you look like a bigger and bigger douche.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:21 pm
i am not sure who wrote that post noz wasn’t me
July 21st, 2009 at 5:35 pm
one of my coworkers wrote the last post on the 06/21/09
but Noz you absolutely need to grow up. Every post in this forum is nothing but a slam agianst other people who post. Why? You have offered nothing of value to this forum other then to insult people.
You are no different then notafan. Once again please grow up and stop trying to pick forum fights.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm
That “you need to grow up” is getting old. You need to grow up isellkia and have your co-workers sell cars instead of playing on the internet.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 am
Wow. There is a lot of anger in this thread!
I it amazing how passionate people are with cars they love. My only issue is when people start to name call and offend others. I say lets focus on the cars and less on how to mock some ones else’s opinion.
JTZ what would you rather have me say to people who are acting like kids throwing a tantrum?
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 am
isellkia your funny. You don’t show any signs of anger or anything when I read your post. Your just always so calm. I like that!!!
July 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
c’mon guys, you do know I’m gay, right?
afterall, I do drive a KIA
any guys wanna help me get off?
we could do it in the back seat of my car
July 26th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Actually jtz, Hyundai Started out building Ford cars in the 60s, KIA started out building Ford cars in the 70s. So it was Ford that got the both of us started. We just got duped into buying crappy Mitsubishi powertrains. The Racist against Koreans Japanese didnt want us to compete in the first place, they tried to sabbotage our development from day one.
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jtz, gays actually drive Subarus and SAABs, from the studies ive read. However, KIA Drivers are ultra liberal.
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Half of Hyundai drivers are Ultra conservative, and the other half are Ultra liberal, but Liberal Hyundai Drivers are starting to outnumber conservative Hyundai drivers. They are saying people are moving from compaines like SAAB and Volvo to Hyundai/KIA and Subaru too.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Hyundai/KIA Products sell better in Conservative Middle American (Midwest and Southern) states where most foreign brands dont do as well too. The other Foreign Brands here in middle America are at least $3000 more here than they are on the Coasts.
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Hyundai/KIAs are the only foreign brands that have reasonable affordablity out in this part of the country. A Used 17 year old Civic with 210,000 miles that would cost $500 in Jersey would cost $4500 here out in the Middle American Hick Lands. You can get a used Accent or Spectra thats 10 years newer and has 60,000 miles on the odometer for $4500, and probably even cheaper now due to the economy.
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-This economy has been a big boon to Hyundai/KIA new or used.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
It takes a long time for a brand to gain value, its also take a long time for a brand to lose value. Look at Acura/Honda, the last 10 years has not been the best of times in terms of reliablity for them. They are still reliable, but Honda values havent been affected at all. They had some very bad years this decade, when our products have been having some very great years this decade. The same goes for Lexus/Toyota. Our Products are doing great, and run great, yet the value to get into one is low. Enjoy it while it lasts becuase the next cycle of inlfation will push the values of your cars sky high.
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As a developing Luxury Company, Hyundai Products cost similar to Toyotas now, but it will be a long time before our products get to Lexus Prices. We offer thousands of dollars more worth of stuff in our cars, than Toyota does, yet our cars are only a few hundred dollars plus or minus now. Hey when Lexus came out thier cars where the same prices or a little bit more as Chevy, but they had Cadillac in their sights, now Lexus cars sell for a higher price than Cadillacs and out sell them by 2 to 1 in terms of sales figures. The Biggest trade ins for Hyundais these days are Chryslers and Buicks, so we can make a legitimate Luxry Niches here
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KIAs still are $1000 at least or more cheaper than Hyundai or Toyota. BTW, the Biggest trade ins for KIAs are the unreliable Mazda Products.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Mazda=Japanese Alfa Romeo. They only sell cars based on performance and looks.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
So HyundaiSmoke, when do we get to rock the back seat of your car???
August 10th, 2009 at 3:34 am
You are a bunch of phonies KIA sales who cooked up these posts. There is no way that a Forte can match Mazda3 except for the low cost.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
No look at the the specs, buddy.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Who’s th phoney jtz? Notafan that’s you?
August 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Frankly I really don’t care if a Forte isnt’ the best in it’s class. I really don’t care if the civic is the best in it’s class or a Lancer is the best in it’s class. I got what I like and for the red jtz saying I’m gay you must be the real queer! Get your own name I know you want to be me and all but sorry I don’t date dudes.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
The red jtz has aids. Get ready to die coward.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 am
Sorry, I keep posting a few different times….
I’m red when I’m not logged in and black when I am…it’s so I know which persoanality I’m using.
I do date dudes…just no guy wants to do me in the back of my kia
September 14th, 2009 at 2:57 am
kia….LOL
kia = fail
October 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Hi Folks,
Just to note, “Borrego” means “sheep” in spanish!
Love the Forte!
December 7th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
So, I just finished fucking myself in the back of my kia. Be better if I could find someone else to fuck back there….any takers?
December 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
What’s wrong jealous because the Forte won car of the year? Lol.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Don’t be jealous there will be more Kias to come taking over more and more market share every year. By the time you continue posting and faking who I really am, I’ll be a pround owner of my 5th Kia the 2012 Kia CH that will dog the mess out of that Lexus LS .
June 10th, 2010 at 4:30 am
I forgot to mention, I’m on my 5th Kia because they all keep dying on me after a year….
July 18th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
this whole argument is ridiculous, who the fuck cares if the car will turn 5 seconds in the quarter mile, or handle like a 911 porsche. I don’t know where you all live, but every where I go in this country the highest speed limit I have found is 75. and occaisionally someone will come by at about 90. There are very few people who will exceed 100 mph even if they own a ferrari. As far as handling what the fuck do you need a slalom car for when you are stuck in freeway traffic at 6 mph. I have owned two kias, And have driven the living hell out of them, and they performed very well.
November 12th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
kia koup are the best of all
March 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
To the real “JTZ:” Mercedes is NOT using Kia engines in their vehicles. There is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim. The link you provided simply says that in 2007 Mercedes was interested in the idea, no where can I find any information that says that they actually used Kia engines.
As far as Kia’s go, who cares. If you like Kia’s and they have treated you well then fine, but slamming other car makes is not the way to go. Mazda makes reliable cars, as does Honda and Toyota.
March 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
No duh sherlock. Any idiot knows that Mercedes is not using Korean engines. And I could care less if you can or can’t find that information about Mercedes’s engines. Oh yeah Now, as for Obama I say he makes a terrible President. I don’t see any differance since that Negro got in office. Shit is worst than ever, plus he lied about sending our troops back home. As for Honda mazda and Toyota. why are you telling me something I dont’ already know about reliablity? After all Toyota did come in 2nd globally didn’t it? Besides, you see the dumb Toyotas every .05 of second on the road don’t you. Oh yeah and the Elantra will be ready to tackle down that Civic, Mazda 3 and Corolla NOW WHAT!!!! The Rio will tackle up that Mazda 2 and the Sportage is going to be ready for that stupid Impresa/Infinti EX wannabe CX-5. So come on Negroobama bring it on!!!! Lame name.
March 30th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Oh yeah, to negroobama, I see you been looking at ALL my post. Here are more. Link these up and see how accurate I am. Side profiles, Outlander, Rav-4, Campass, Vibe, Mazda 3 hatch but only the cee’d was the copycat.
Face, 1999, 2000 Altima and 2010 Taurus hint Face.
Grand Prix and Ford 500 hint talights.
2010 Mazda 6 and 2011 Acura ZDX hint side profiles.
Mercedes C class and Chevy Malibu hint headlights.
Infinti EX, Impreza hatch and Mazda CX-5 hint greenhouse.
SUVS with Slanted C pillars, Buick Rendvous, Chevy Blazer, Honda Passport, 1st generation Lexus RX, 1st generation MDX, 1st generation Saturn Vue, 2012 Explorer, 4 Runner, 2nd genernation Equinox, Mercedes M class, 2005 CR-v , that new SAAB CUV but on the 2003 Kia sorento was the copycat.
Headlights, 2002 Infinti Q, 2003 Lexus LS, 2004 Suzuki Verna, 2008 Ford 500 but only the 2006.5 Optima was the copycat. Now that will keep you busy. HAVE FUN!!!
March 31st, 2011 at 5:36 am
What you mean slamming other car makes is not the way to go? When GM compared the Volt to the Prius did you say that? What about when the Ford Explorer compared the new Durango or Cherokee? What about the 4 Runner and Cherokee? Huh? What about the Civic and Corolla. Yeah I see you Toyota/Honda fans are quick to judge a Hyundai/Kia to a Toyota or Honda. What about the Pilot vs. the Highlander? What about the Fit Vs, Yaris? What about those? You don’t like me compareing one Japenese car agaisnt another huh? But its ok to compare a Japense car agaisnt a Korean make huh? What about the Mazda 3 and Jetta? Huh? I slammeed those agaisnt another car? So what you going to do now huh? As for Mercedes using Korean engines? Please DON’T MESS with me. I’m Jtz. We all know Mercdes was interested in Hyundai’s (not Kia’s) 2.4L engine. So where you at now? Huh? I’ll slam any make and model from segment to design to horsepower to looks? I’m jtz I can get any car from a to z don’t mess with me.
And you better be luckythe Forte LPI Hybrid didn’t go into production. The Forte LPI was just about to get into the Civic Hybrid’s ass. But the Veloster is going to whip that CR-Z ass. So come Negerobama bring it on!!!! The K9 will get into that Lexus LS’ ass when it arrives. I see why Hyundai declined making engiens for Mercdes, they were to busy with the K9. “Roof roof” how you doing!!!???
March 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am
I love my Forte. Better handling, very exciting to drive,the style,the features….what else can i ask for?
Go Forte!