Kia Owners Talk: turboed 2004 Kia Rio

 

Written by himi on April 12th, 2008 in Uncategorized.

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Say a big hello to Dan, another passionate Kia owner! He’s coming from Canada and he’s the owner of this fast and furious 2004 Kia Rio sedan.

1. How long have you owned your Rio?
- Since August 2004

2. What cars did you own before?
- 1990 Chrysler Lebaron Turbo )heavily modified) 1990 Suzuki Sidekick (lightly modified)

3. Honestly, what was your intention when you bought your Rio?
- I wanted a daily driver so I was not driving the Lebaron all the time.

4. In a few words, describe the style of your Rio?
- Well with the Rio I decided I wanted the look to be very tasteful. Alot of it is personal taste, if I see something I like I try to work with the idea, If it looks good it stays, if not then I try something else.

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5. What do you like the most about Rio?
- The power.

6. Is there anything you don’t like about it?
- Well it had all of the typical cheap Korean car issues, rattles, wind noise etc, but I am slowly fixing that stuff bit by bit.

7. What is it that makes your Rio look unique?
- Well for starters it is a 1 of 500 Canada only *Tuner Package*, that made it rare. Add the turbo and looks and it has become unique.

8. What accessories have you installed so far?
-Engine:
1.6 Rio Block bored 40 over (1.7L)
Mazda B6-ZE Crank
Mazda BP Rods
10mm Dish Forged Pistons
9:1 Compression Ratio
ARP Head Studs
ARP Main Bolts
ARP Rod Studs
Ported and Polished Cylinder Head
Ported and Gasket Matched Intake Manifold
MT-Engineering Underdrive crank pulley
MT-Engineering GT28R turbo kit @ 20 psi
MT-Engineering MT-375 Cams
Edelbrock Divorced Turbo Downpipe
Edelbrock 3″ Turbo Inlet Pipe
Ported Head & Port Matched Intake
MT-Engineering Standalone Fuel & Spark Management
Intergrated Buick GN Boost Controler
Intergrated Staged Fuel Injection
Clutchnet Stage 3 Clutch
2-1/4 Turbo Back Exhaust w/ Magnaflow Muffler
Filled Polyurethane Engine Mounts

Suspension:
Intrax Springs
17″ Katana Wheels
Falken ZE-912 205/40R17

Interior:
Short Throw Shifter
Custom Carbon Fiber Gauge Panel

Exterior:
Kia Canada Tuner Package
Body Matched Headlights

And the list could go on.

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9. What’s next?
- Larger front discs, 4 piston calipers, Rear disc conversion, new clutch, repipe charge piping, HKS SSQV blow-off valve, larger front mount intercooler, ram horn turbo manifold and a 3″ exhaust if it can be wedged in there.

10. Who helped you modify your Rio?
- I have had alot of help from Matt at MT-Engineering, we have spent alot of time designing and fabricationg parts for ths Rio and a few others.
11. Products of which tuning company did you use so far?
-MT-Engineering (www.mtengineering.ca) Garrett Turbochargers (www.turbobygarrett.com) PLX Devices (www.plxdevices.com) Megasquirt EFI (www.megasquirt.info) KFX Performance (www.kfxperformance.com) Clutchnet Clutches (www.clutchnet.com)

12. How would you rate your car; on a scale from 1 to 10?
- Personally I would give it about an 8.5.

13. How would you pimp your ride if you had no limits?
- The way it stands so far there has not been any limits.

14. What do people say about your Rio?
- Some people love it, some people hate it. Most are surprised at the fact it is a Rio.

15. What would you advise to Kia owners who might be looking to customize their cars in future?
- Research and Develop. Hondas didn’t get the aftermarket they have now by not doing anything about it. You have to be willing to get what you want. If someone doesn’t sell something that you want for your Kia, make it, or find someone that will. You have to be a leader not a follower. If you are a follower nothing will ever get made.. If you are the leader you will have the drive to do something about it.

16. Do you see yourself as a Kia owner in the future?
- I’ve had my eye on the ne Soul coming this fall.. I’ll see what happens when it hits the showrooms.

Thank you Dan!

 

244 Responses to “Kia Owners Talk: turboed 2004 Kia Rio”

  1. Griffith Says:

    April 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    It is like Subaru impreza. :D

  2. Colby Says:

    April 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    it really is sharp for a rio. what is that running any way? close to 12 or under? The vehicle is so light and with a turbo it must fly.

  3. himi Says:

    April 12th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    That was also my firts thought when I saw his Rio!:)
    I would like to know how much has the engine performance improved after all of the the engine modifications and turbo was installed.
    Did your Rio became a nightmare for Honda owners, Dan?;)

  4. Bryan Says:

    April 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Yep, it does give the impression of looking like a Subaru Imprezza. Only it’s light years better, being that it’s a Kia. Nice rig!

  5. Dan Says:

    April 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Well performance is way up over a stock or even lightly modified Rio.. 0-60 times are in the sub 6 second range. 1/4 mile times on 5 psi have been around 14.5-14.7 @ 102 mph.. There was little to now traction taking off with my old tires. I’m hoping with 20 psi I can see a low 13 or even a high 12.. Traction is the biggest issue at this point.. With my old tires in 2nd gear the tires easily break loose. The new Falken 912′s I have on it now seem to be a much better tire for traction but we will see. And I know everyone is saying just put some slicks on it, well I’m honestly not sure how much abuse the axles can handle, and to find out at the drag strip almost 3 hours from my house is not my idea of fun..

    I always love the comments about Subaru it kinda makes me laugh because I had a guy in an Imprezza WRX laugh at it and I left him in the dust. It’s kind of flattering.. I won’t even waste my gas on a Honda, I’m looking for bigger things, like Hemi Chargers and Camaros.

  6. Patrick Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    wow. 0-60 in less than 6 secs??? thats a genesis V8 claim… nice~

    hey 2 questions. does ur hp or performance increase noticeably when you increase ur engine capaciy?? did u have 2 change other things as a result of the mod? (ie. the ecu)

    also, do u get lots of torque steer???

  7. Dan Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Well I never noticed the differance in power just from the displacement, because at the same time I add cams and a parted head. But the car was running on a full standalone engine management before I did it. But if you wanted to do it to a stock Rio I’m sure it would work, but you would probally see a drop in performance due to the lower compression pistons. You might be able to install 10:1 pistons again but the mazda pistons are slightly differant from the Kia variation and the Mazda ones may hit the valves in higher compression versions.

  8. Dan Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Sorry I missed the torque steer part.. I don’t get as much as you would think.. I’ve tried to adjustg tire pressures to slightly compinsate, but if the car hooks well there is usually a bit.

  9. Bryan Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Dan, your car is light years better than one of those dorky Subaru’s, indeed. What kind of gas mileage do you get in your Rio, just during a mixed driving schedule of hiway and in town? I realize that the racing mpg is gonna be much lower, but how do you do on a normal tank of gas?

  10. himi Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    You mean you left behind an Impreza WRX Sti…the most powerful version of Impreza with AWD?? Tell us more, I’d really like to hear more about that!

  11. Dan Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    No not an STi just the regular WRX’s.. Fuel is on an average tank, which is usually 30% hard 70% regular driving is right around 9L/100km I think that works out to about 25 MPG.

  12. Bryan Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    25mpg ain’t bad, really. I just prefer the Kia bodystyles much better than Subie’s. The Legacy Turbo sedans, those full-size sedans of Subaru, those look pretty good, but most of their stable is weak looking. Who cares about AWD is you’re drivin’ a pig around, know what I mean? =:)

  13. himi Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Dan: Kias are known not to have the best handling among stock cars. Could you tell me how much better rio drives after you changed the springs?
    Again, congrats to your ride. It looks very good and so much better than the stock 04 Rio!

  14. Jason Chan Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    Hi Dan,
    I own a 12/2002 Kia Rio LS. Very similar to urs just dat it is a hatchback.
    I would like to get into the tuning game but i have minimal idea on cars and engine but i am willing to learn.
    Which place would you recommend me to start on?

  15. Bayrak Says:

    April 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    do you know any information about this subject in other languages?

  16. Chris Says:

    May 20th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Hey Dan! 1st Off Nice WHIP I love it, ow I must Say I own an 08 Kia Rio And I am slowing Buying parts and getting things set up for my self I am gonna do some Heavy Mods To it. I am shooting for a 2.0 Turboed I have the stock 1.6 turbod with a few changed done to handle my 6psi…..lol But I am looking to go big. So Iwas just wondering was there any huge problems you ran into that I should know About ahead of time?

  17. Dan Says:

    May 31st, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Jason – The first thing I could say is read, read and read. And when you think you have learned all there is to know read some more. Knowledge is power, and with knowledge you can make power. But the thing with Kias right now is there is not alot of people who are doing stuff like this, so there has alos been alot of R&D and some things have broke. But you learn from experience and you take from your mistakes.

    Bayrak – I am not sure what language you are looking for so I am not sure how to answer you.. The are a few Korean Kia tuning sites, and if I am not mistaken there are a few European ones also.

    Chris – Thanks.. I’d love to see some pics of your car. I am not up to speed on the new Rios. Though I can say it is the Alpha 1.6 from Hyundai it seems to be a good platform as is. I would suggest sticking with it and working from there. When dealing with higher boost you always have to be aware of what is going on in the engine. A wideband O2 sensor and Exhaust Gas Tempurature sensor can be your best friends when tuning. I ran on 5 psi on the stock block for a year and a bit before I damaged a piston. But with the Alpha engine I am unsure. Your best bet is probably to check a Hyundai site where people are heavily modifying Accents as they will be the ones with the information you will want to know.

  18. Markus T Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 5:10 am

    Dan, where are you located in Canada? I have a similar unique Turbo car. Whats the horsepower you have right now?

  19. Dan Says:

    June 14th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    I’m in Ontario near Toronto. What kind of car do you have? My Rio hasn’t been to the dyno yet on 20 psi. I have just replace the clutch and still have it apart so I can add my 4 piston front calipers, larger rotors, and rear disc set up. Maybe before the end of the summer it should be seeing the dyno on 20 psi. I will surely send the numbers to himi so he can post them up here.

  20. Fast Says:

    July 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Hi, my name is Iliya, im from russia. My Rio 4/04, green color. Your Rio very best.
    Sorry my bad english.

  21. John Says:

    August 7th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    dan- i have a 12/2003 rio myself. i made a custom shorty cold air intake w/ k&n filter and it has a nice low grunt to it. will it have any adverse affect to my Mass air flow sensor? also, could you email me a complete list of all the things you did to yours and where i can get my hands on the parts too. ? I used to race an srt4 stage 3 and i hit a jersey barrier at 120 or so and totalled the car. :O( then i got the rio big difference. however i want the feel of the power again ya know. wifey wont let me race anymore so i scaled it down to 1/8th scale nitro rc racing. im buying another car this year and keeping the rio to tinker with. any info would help.

    thanx,
    john

  22. JaW Says:

    September 5th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    i will make the same thing me my kia rio rs. Beautiful car

  23. EzEkIeL Says:

    September 6th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    yea man i seen ur car at scrape by the lake this year……. i wanted to talk to you… u werent arond… (so i jus snapped a few of ur ride) i seriosly wanna get a body kit for my 06 rio sedan.. i wanted a spoiler like urs to b honist…. any good local kia clubs my wife and i can join? let me know anyone with positive info hit me up! da_man_2001_1@hotmail.com

  24. stefan Says:

    September 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Thats is a sweet car. Its funny I came to find you kia rio becouse I have a 03 that I got in the fall of 02 brand new and I was planing to do the same kind of deal with mind. I was trying to give that WRX look. I have done a lot of work to it and most of it was all done by me. Check it out at myspace link http://www.myspace.com/hazmatcustom

  25. Dan Says:

    September 9th, 2008 at 4:34 am

    EzEkleL I added your hotmail address to my MSN. The guys in the club told me about you, I was out walking around talking a look at the compitition, I managed to get 2nd place in my class. It depends on your area because I’m out in Pickering and my general car club meets in Whitby. I’m also in Mississauga on a regular basis.

    Thanks for all the other comments guys.

  26. cody Says:

    September 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    can you by a cold air intake for a kia rio

  27. Dan Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 4:20 am

    Yeah go to http://www.mtengineering.ca they have one available.

  28. David H. Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Hi Dan, I have a 2005 Kia Rio…bone stock. I need more power, what can I do that wont cost me a arm and a leg or a ton of labor to get better performance and more power. I practically get ran over when in city traffic.

  29. Ramiro Castro Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 am

    i love it!
    klean!
    i myself have a kia rio and anyone that can make theirs look nice i give props to.
    check out mine at myspace.com/ram661

  30. James M. Says:

    November 8th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    i have a 2003 Kia Rio 1.6L I want to make it look and sound o hell of lot better got and ideas for me.

  31. edgar Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    yo quiero modificar my kia río 2004 1.5LI

  32. Roy Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 9:50 am

    will 18′ wheels fit on my 02 kia rio 4 door sedan?

  33. Roy Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am

    i just picked up a 2002 rio sedan at an auction for $750 ,, but there is no motor under the hood (removed by privious owner) anyone got a spare complete engine for sale? or maby you have some suggestions?

  34. Greg Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am

    I recommend asking a Kia dealership about one. You could go to a salvage yard, too.

  35. me Says:

    December 9th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    whywould you put that kind of money and time into a piece of junk like that?

  36. Dan Says:

    December 13th, 2008 at 6:13 am

    Roy Rio engines are about $4-600 on Ebay they have them all the time. Make sure you change the timing belt and waterpump before installing it in your car.

  37. Shaun Says:

    January 11th, 2009 at 6:56 am

    heyi gotta ’03 rio cinco (auto) and ideas on tuning?

  38. Rio Dust Says:

    January 12th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    “I always love the comments about Subaru it kinda makes me laugh because I had a guy in an Imprezza WRX laugh at it and I left him in the dust. It’s kind of flattering.. I won’t even waste my gas on a Honda, I’m looking for bigger things, like Hemi Chargers and Camaros.”

    Seriously?
    Thats because the guy in the WRX had to stop, he was laughing so hard, and didnt want to crash into the ditch…. Although, if he did, he could at least GET HIMSELF OUT WITH AWD.

  39. Rio = Dust Eater Says:

    January 12th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    “Again, congrats to your ride. It looks very good and so much better than the stock 04 Rio!”

    Well anything would look better than a stock 04 Rio….. except this POS. If you wanted a subaru, why didnt you just buy one? Your missing the chrome spinners and underglow, honda-boy.

  40. Thunderdump Mcfecalton Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Oh wow, why didn’t I look at a Kia Rio when I was shopping for cars. I never new you could turn them into such little monsters and still be stylish. So far I’m really disapointed with my STi, the AWD is useless with 300whp in the snow and I have a hard time beating WRX’s. A Kia Rio with FWD would’ve been a better choice for Canadian climates and street racing. Do you race for pinks Dan, because you really should. A Hemi powered Dodge stands no chance against a 20psi 1.6L Kia. You must go through floor boards alot because at those power levels you might blow the welds on your intake. Give my regards to Paul Walker and Torreto.

  41. Rioooooooo Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 12:30 am

    “6. Is there anything you don’t like about it?
    - Well it had all of the typical cheap Korean car issues, rattles, wind noise etc, but I am slowly fixing that stuff bit by bit.”

    OH for all that is sweet and holy why would you buy a brand new car that was rattling and had wind noises? Not to mention it is common knowledge that adding a vast number of after market parts decreases the longevity of a car and its reliability; why would you do that to an already unreliable car? That is just like buying a new pair of shoes that have a big hole in the bottom and using them for the Boston Marathon, or goggles without lenses and going snowboarding. I will give you credit for buying cars from the East, you just didn’t go far enough East; missed out by less then 1000 km’s, too bad.

  42. kIA=ripoff Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:10 am

    LOL biggest rip off of the sti ever.

  43. KIASUPER* Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Is this available at the nearest wal-mart?

  44. KIA SUCKS DICK Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    it honestly looks like if u kick the car it was break LMAOO

  45. MITECH!!!!!!!!!!!! Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:44 am

    MI TECH !!!!!!!
    honda/subaru made out of plastic?

  46. KIA SUCKS DICK Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:44 am

    mi-tech will get smashed by a V-TECH cuz thats the real shit

  47. Hako Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 2:52 am

    KIA SUCKS DICK said “it honestly looks like if u kick the car it was break”. I say: it honestly sounds like if you kick his head it
    would boost his I.Q…..and maybe his grammar.

  48. wtf_over Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 2:52 am

    What’s the next project DAN, mod out a K-car? I bet you could totally own an STi in that… Like Bryan said, who needs AWD when you have … well sorry mate but you drive a fucking KIA, you could gold plate it and it would still be a granny car trying to look like the real deal rally beast that is a Subaru.

    Bryan – overdose, please.

  49. JTZ Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 3:21 am

    If you want to say that Kia makes crap go ahead that’s an opinion but remember this Daewoo had the worse reputation back in the Kia Sephia days if people who know that the Cruze, Vue, Equinox ect are Daewoos and are considered good quility to Toyota then why not Kia?

  50. laughing out loud Says:

    January 13th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    wow,,, I thought this was a joke, and it’s funnier that people are serious!!! HAHAHA

    my favourite is the guy who said “like a Subaru but light years better” HAHAHAH

    for the amount of money this poor guy spent on this car he could have a real Subaru, with AWD, Turbo, LSD, etc. etc. etc.

    wow, just…… wow

    I didn’t know people this daft were still putting parts on cars! ahha I thought the fad of Fast and the Furious was over! hahahahahaha

    take it to a track and see if you could do ANYTHING against a stock subaru. hahahaha

  51. Martin1491 Says:

    January 14th, 2009 at 3:00 am

    What is with all these dickheads above? I bet that they are all the same sad f*cker of an excuse for person.

  52. NotDrivingARioThankGod. Says:

    January 15th, 2009 at 5:02 am

    Wooow.
    Nobody who wants serious performance does so in a FWD Kia. If nothing more you should have saved yourself a bit an bought a Neon..

  53. JTZ Says:

    January 15th, 2009 at 6:36 am

    That’s right Martin 1491 he can’t say anthing else negative about Kia’s models only the entry level Sedan because all Kia fans know that Kia makes 4wd models and won way more awards than any Subaru. He can’t say anthing about the new Spectra coming out, the Cee’d, Sportage, Borrego or Sorento. In my opinion his just Jealous that Kia is better than Subaru. If not, then why did Kia come out with a V8 first and out sold Subaru. And don’t say because they are cheap because the Borrego fullyloaded is like over $40,000 dollars which is more expensive than any Subaru. and for your info, the Rio doesn’t compete with the Legacy that’s the Sportage Job. Talk about that!! Come back in a few more years when the entire lineup is totally finished. And that new Subaru sedan concept is nothing more but an Infiniti G sedan. That looks more like the Infiniti than the Forte looks like a Civic. Pitiful design just plain pitiful. Subaru most really like Nissan because the Tribeca looks like the Murano. The new Sorento when it gets its unibody design will dog that ugly Mesa want a be grille Tribeca. Sorento out sells that. If Kia sucks so much then why didn’t they go out of business like Oldsmobile did? Why didn’t they go out of business like Izuzu or ask for a bailout like the BIG 3? If Kia’s suck then why are they out selling cars that were in America much longer than they were? If Kia’s suck how did they come up with enough cash to pay for Peter Scyreyer’s salary (they must be paying him more than Audi was can Subaru afford without the help of Toyota? Hyundai doesn’t have anything to do with his sal). That lame excuse for a pick up Subaru had didn’t sell but the Kia Mojave was a real pick up truck (to bad the economy is too bad for it to go on sell). why is it that Subaru started out with more models than Kia now Kia has almost twice as much models (but they suck). Doesn’t that mean they have more money? When the VG arrives it will kick Subaru’s ass in performance and it’ll just be a FWD car. If Kia’s really suck then why do they have the money to build a plant from ground up in United States? Lastly, If Kia’s suck, why are you even wasting time coming on here. I don’t even need to defend Kia at all it defends itself.

  54. Martin1491 Says:

    January 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am

    Well said JTZ!

  55. some chick Says:

    January 15th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    im not sure what i think of the rio’s but i am getting a 2008 kia rio so i am excited to see how much i like it!

  56. JTZ Says:

    January 15th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Thanks you Martin 1491 I said this on diffrent blogs but they kept on being deleted. All Kia fans would know why.

  57. BJD(Boris) Says:

    January 16th, 2009 at 6:30 am

    well, said JTZ. btw, Kia’s line-up isn’t to finish anytime soon. they will have new models being introduced every year. atleast one every year. either new generation cars of the current line-up or fresh ones like soul.

  58. jim Says:

    January 17th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    i’m not going to say kia sucks. but if subaru is so horrible like you claim, then why are they the ONLY car manufacturer to increase sales in 2008. why have they been so successful in rally?

  59. JTZ Says:

    January 18th, 2009 at 3:18 am

    Funny I don’t recall saying Subaru was horrible I just proved why I know Kia is better than them that’s all. Kia still outsold Subaru for 2008 though.

  60. jim Says:

    January 18th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1871101,00.html

    “Subaru of America was the only car company to increase unit sales last year”

    they might have sold more cars. but overall they sold less then previous years. making more sales of cheap cars (the base rio) doesn’t make them better. korean cars are not renowed for their quality either. even Dan here admits he has had to fix a lot of things that shouldn’t have needed fixing in the first place.

    i would like to see how this car does on a track, not just in a straight line.

    again, i am not saying kia sucks, but they are known for affordable cars (cheap) and i’d still own a subaru before a kia. but other cars before a subaru too.

  61. Dan Says:

    January 21st, 2009 at 1:01 am

    My friend owns a 2.5 RS Sport Impreza and he has had his own run in with issues with the car. More electrical problems than anything. I’m not comparing the two though. On cost almost $30,000CDN the other under $18,000CDN. But the car is being setup a little better for the track this year, larger brakes, rear disks, thicker swaybars, more rear suspension stability.

  62. jilbik Says:

    February 14th, 2009 at 1:03 am

    good job bro

  63. Niko Says:

    February 25th, 2009 at 2:43 am

    Dan, yout tuned up that car pretty good. I own a 2005 Kia Rio and used to own a 2001 Kia Rio which got totalled. I’m also thinking about tuning it a bit. Any suggestions of sites i could visit to find more info about that? and JTZ, that’s pretty good explained. And K’m not saying that Subarus suck, but in my personal opinion i like Kias better.

  64. JTZ Says:

    February 25th, 2009 at 4:09 am

    Hey Jim, tell Suburu to give back KIa’s Mesa grille from the Forster and Tribeca and then lets see how they sell. And besides if you really did research, this is the first time Kia has ever declined in sells in the U.S.A. in what 15 years. So that proves nothing. And what do you mean cheap. The 09′ Sorento starts at around $22,000 compared to what it was when it first arrived starting under $20,000. The Optima is just under $20,000 compared to the 04′ Optima being around $16,000. So um that sell really doesn’t mean anyting. Because if that’s the case since Suburau is the only one for 2008 that has increased sells, does that mean Suburau is better than Hyundai, GM, Toyota, BMW, AUDI? Like I said earlier give back the Mesa grille and let’s see what happens becuase since it got that new grille, Forster sells have increased. And why are you so stuck on this 1 month old topic anyway?

    And Kia has way better R&D than Suburau. Kia makes buses and comerical trucks does Suburu? Sells doesn’t mean anything. Kia quality has been ranked above average for a few years. And according to your topic your still stuck on a 6 or 7 year old Rio. You haven’t defended anying I said like the Mojave vS. the Baja. Sells is your only defense. You didn’t even go to an up to date article you had to pick the oldest Kia and the weakest Kia to talk about. As you were searching you pased Borrego, Sorento, Cee’d and Soul articles along with concepts. You passed Mojave articles along with spy shots future cars and evertying but you didn’t start critizing untill you got to the weakest link the first generation Kia Rio. How lame is that? And to the person who said they should have gotten a Dodge Neon over the Rio, will the Neon is no longer in production while the Rio is about to be 9 year old!!! If it’s that bad why is the Rio still in business?

  65. JTZ Says:

    February 25th, 2009 at 5:22 am

    Korean cars are known for weak quality huh? Why did the Genesis when car of the year? Why is it the 06′ Rio had better quailty than the Yaris, and Avel? And speaking of Rio just for your own personal information. Since Fabruary 25th, the first article on this blog is really a Rio hatch. What do you have to say about that or the other urban Rio the Soul? That is using the Rio platform. Talke about that!!!. Talk about the Rio hybrid I’m sure you saw while searching for this blog. And speaking of sells since your so interested. The cee’d was in production for about a year, they sold 200,000 cee’ds that is quicker than Suburu’s whole line up for year 2008. Talk about that . The cee’d is one of the youngest hatches in Europe and one of the best in it’s class and quility. Did you see that when you were searching this article on this blog? The weakest link. I just defended the Rio.

  66. Guy Says:

    February 27th, 2009 at 3:30 am

    i think there are some major jealousy issues going on. give the guy a break. he’s bein different. imagine how many subies you see runnin around everyday. now think how many modded kias you see runnin around? probably none. give dan some credit. he went against the crowd and did something different. personally i think it looks like any other tuner but the fact that he put the time and effort to do something out of the ordinary is commendable. i say everybody just accepts the fact that this rio is different. and kinda cool at that.

  67. Lawl Says:

    March 10th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    LMFAO

    This is pure comedy gold…………

    Im rolling by the fact that someone spent money on a rio………..omg

    Your so full of fail its almost Epic.

    Thanks for the laugh

  68. Tommy Says:

    March 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    I have a 05 sedona lx 3.5l v6, i want to modify it do you have any suggestions on what i should do?

  69. Tommy Says:

    April 9th, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Never mind i just got into a t bone accident in my van and its totalled

  70. CJ Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    You can dump all this money into a Kia, and THINK you made it fast, and THINK that it comes even REMOTELY close to a WRX, but you are fvcking DREAMING. It is a motherfvcking Kia. Get a clue. It doesn’t have the suspension that a WRX has, it doesn’t have the brakes a WRX has, it has the interior of a Powerwheels car that little kids drive around, and it doesn’t have AWD. So you make a few more HP, you can’t put it to the ground, and even IF you find a way to get it to the ground, you will break something doing so.

    Kia owners, face it: you can’t afford REAL performance cars, that’s why you chose Kias. Quit posing.

  71. Sylba Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Yeah, well it could be worse. Somebody could dump all of their time into you and THINK you were fast, or THINK you were cool, or THINK you were actually worth something in life, but they would be DREAMING of being with someone else! Get a clue you idiot. Yours probably looks like a toy. You don’t have enough power, so don’t worry about breaking it. You couldn’t get a REAL girlfriend, that’s why you choose hookers. Quit posing.

  72. CJ Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    ^ Spoken like a true Kia owner…aka it made no sense. HAHAHAHA@Kia owners

  73. McNasty Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    WOW, EPIC F-A-I-L.

    Now how did this turn into a Kia vs. Subaru debate? Although I do agree that you could have a much better track car for the same amount of money. You could have a Miata that blows the doors off this Kia and any WRX. Suggestion, sell the KIA and buy something better for the track, you won’t regret it.

  74. ROFL@JTZ Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    If anyone with any automotive intelligence glances at any of this…

    “And Kia has way better R&D than Suburau. Kia makes buses and comerical trucks does Suburu?”

    YES retard they do, and tractors and a mother fucking power washer too.

    Oh BTW Fuji Heavy Industries owns Subaru they make even MORE.

    Kia is no match for Fuji or Subaru in terms of R&D or quality.

    Amazing what people believe.

    This comes from a fucking BMW owner BTW.

  75. Xan Says:

    April 28th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Trying to compare a Kia to a Subaru is like trying to compare a tin can on a string to an iPhone.
    What an absolute load of failures some of these Kia owners are.

  76. That looks nothing like a Subaru Impreza Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 12:53 am

    That looks like a rice rocket. This is why dumb rice boys like him are giving car companies like Kia a bad name.

  77. Kia=Fail Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 1:57 am

    I give you props for working on your car. But unfortunately the fact that you did it to a Kia cancels out any credit I gave to you. JTZ needs to get off the shroomz and admit that the Kia is a far inferior vechicle compared to any Subaru. You also say that the Kia is better performance wise, a stock 2009 Rio puts out a whopping 110 hp and couple that with the fact its a FWD car means your not putting much power to road. Now on the other hand a stock 2009 WRX generates 265hp and with AWD you can actually have traction. KIA=FAIL

  78. WoW Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 2:08 am

    W O W

    So…. can you turn?

    This is just complete failz… To even compare to subaru… wow….

    I am speechless. *Shakes head*

    I am almost embarrassed that this company is from my homeland.

    Great cars… but just ruined it and ruined yourself by comparing it to a subaru.

    Please don’t ruin Kia.

  79. John Doe Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 3:53 am

    This car is a joke. Seriously if you didn’t TRY and make it look like a Subaru STI then it would be alright that you tryed to develope it into something different and unique, but you messed it up by trying to make it look like a subaru. You gave Subaru and the STI a bad name and I feel horrible that my WRB STI is being demorilized by a car like yours. Epic “Fail” your car does not deserve a 8.5 more like a 2. Spotted Ricer FTW!

  80. George Washington Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 am

    “always love the comments about Subaru it kinda makes me laugh because I had a guy in an Imprezza WRX laugh at it and I left him in the dust. It’s kind of flattering.. I won’t even waste my gas on a Honda, I’m looking for bigger things, like Hemi Chargers and Camaros.”

    LOLOLOL

    kia owners.
    also, he was in a IMPREZA WRX not an imprezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza. what a piece.

  81. Xan Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 5:25 am

    I tell you what.
    You kill a Hemi charger at the strip, videotape it, and post it, and I’ll give you $50.

  82. Wise Old Man Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 5:43 am

    It’s interesting to read the comments and where things went sour in this thread; when ‘DAN’ posted the comment about ” blowing the doors off WRX’s “.. The reason it went south so fast is that it is highly improbable given the 1/4 and 60 times you quote, that you blew the doors off a WRX that was prepared and willing to race you. The numbers you provide simply don’t add up to a ‘ doors blowing kill of a wrx ‘.

    What Kia RIO owners need to realize is, as good as you think your cars are..they are designed and built to a much lower specification then the WRX. In the same vein, the WRX is miles behind allot of other cars. Tune your car, it’s your right to do so, but just keep some grounding in reality, you can’t make a RIO, a sports sedan unless your willing to spend WAY more then the actual sedan your targeting costs it’s self.

    JTZ, your not making the RIO or KIA community look any more mature or worthy of taking seriously. Your comments are mostly flawed and very over run with trite and useless emotional ‘ proofs’ .

    As a comment/challenge to Dan, I’m ijust outside the GTA myself, I’d like to get an Idea of what you’ve spent on your car, then compare that to the same money spent on a WRX or STi.. We do a $2K stage II kit for the WRX that takes it to ~$350ps ( FW) I’m pretty sure your head work was $2k on it’s own. ON a parity /dollar for dollar upgrade contest who’s going to come out ahead? WRX is in my opinion..

  83. Bornloser Says:

    April 29th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    I remember in the old days (I just tuned 41, yesterday, thank you…) tuning was only done on engines. Any cosmetic change was considered as customizing, and there were no ready made kits available. There was also a vast Kit-Car scene where you could bolt a Ferari, a Porsche or even a Lambo body onto your old VW Bug frame…
    It made these people feel like kings for a while and why not…
    Not all of us have the chance to come from well of families or have had the opportunity or the capabilities to go to Uni and thus having/making lots of money to able to afford a Subaru WRX (which is actually a very fine car), an Audi RS4 or Mitsu Evo… If some people go to the effort to try to make it look like something that comes close and it makes ‘em feel better, why not…
    If some of these youngsters have had dreams that they blew the doors of of a WRX, it is a bit silly but let them have their dreams. As a mature adult I would feel like a stupid ass to take those away from them.
    And hey, 30 years ago I was convinced that my dad’s Ford Taunus was the fastest car on the block!

  84. anon Says:

    April 30th, 2009 at 6:02 am

    Come on..
    give the guy some credit here….
    at least he imitated a decent car.
    any how.. for the money you spent you could have a real WRX.

  85. KIA-FTL Says:

    April 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    HAHA Thanks for the morning laughs! To compare that rolling pile of crap to a WRX is insane! Anytime you would like to try to “blow the doors off” my 09 WRX, feel free to step up, kia boy.

  86. Wharf Rat Says:

    May 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Holy crap. I’ve never seen such a peice of trash. I can’t beleive you actually spent time and money on what is commonly known as literally the worst USDM car out there. What an idiot you are. I hope you die of superaids and swine flu at the same time.

  87. KIA-FTL Says:

    May 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Dumping thousands of dollars into a car that is probably worth $500 by itself doesn’t make a lot of sense.

  88. isellkia Says:

    May 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    you get a lot more car for you money in a kia then you do in any car. Provided you take car of it like you should any car you own. I personally would never put that kind of money in ANY car but that is not my hobbies. For the people who are kia bashing you got nothing better to do then scroll kia forums? WOW talk about fail. At least i sell kia and that i have an invested interest in the product. I suggest getting a REAL life.

  89. JTZ Says:

    May 1st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Funny, I don’t recall comparing Dan’s Rio to an Impreza. Hmm, but if you want to go ahead and twist my comments around as if I compared Dan’s Rio to a Subaru Impreza that’s fine. Eventhough someone before me compared a Subaru 4WD to a rio which caused me to bring up Kia’s 4WD SUVs but no one downed them just the weakest (and oldest) link. No one downed the cee’d or anything else up to date. Just the Rio as if it is still 2004 . Interesting. But that’s fine because I know the 2009 Sorento is more of a winner than Subaru’s Tribecca. Oh yeah, where on my commets have I said the Rio was better than the Impreza? Show me. Can anyone show me? Find my commet because I don’t see it. Now go back to critizining Dan’s rio it’s funny!! I’m glad Kia doesn’t make cars with poor quality and performance anymore. Aren’t you?

    Oh yeah, when I meant I defended the Rio I didn’t mean Dan’s rio but the new platform that carries the Rio name and is used in the No. 3 concept and Soul and next generation Rio. And I was comparing that to the dead dodge Neon that someone said a few months ago that Dan should have gotten the Neon. Too bad they just went bankrupt isn’t that funny??? Now go back to twisting my commets and putting words and my mouth. Only thing I compared some Kias to Suburus like the Baja and Mojave (didn’t know one say that) and Sorento and Tribeca (didn’t no one say that either but assumed I said the Rio vs. Impreza). Way to funny. Well I can’t wait to see what twist you guys are going to come up with next.

  90. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 3:18 am

    You know you guys bring back memories. Remember back when the rio first came out and you had to buy it all the way loaded just to get a fucking radio? Just imagine since the Rio had the engine of a garbage truck and all you hear is an annoying enigne. Lol. I even remeber when the Rio’s radio looked have done. I mean WTF here’s a cd player but what is someone supposed to do with that big gap underneath it? You can’t put a sun glass case in it because Kia couldn’t afforad standard ABS brakes so when you brake the case would just come out? Lol. Come on you’ll keep talking about the first geneneration Rio. It’s funny. I’m Dan was proud enough to put that on a 04′ Rio? Boy on boy, Kia’s history just gets funnier and funneier. Remember back then when no one bought enough Kias so they put a 10 year warranty on them just to get people to buy them because of the crappy sephia? Lol. I can’t believe someone exactuly compared a Impreza to that crappy Rio Lol. Boy that just shows you Kia came a long way I never thought Kia would ever be in a rally did you let alone make a V8 did you? Never a million years.

  91. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 3:38 am

    You haters remember the first generation Sportage? Wasn’t that a pos or what? Hell if you really want to go back in the past, you haters remember when pathatic Kia in the past made enignes for the Ford Pento. WTF was Ford thinking about? I mean seriously, they already had a terrible reputation and they gonna bring in the Kia Pride enigne into a Ford? Oh that would have really helped their reputation. I know you haters got somemore things to bring up in the past. Hell fans I know you guys got something to talk about in the past too. I remember the old Kia name Kills in Accident now most of their models have earned a 5 star crash rating. I totally forgot them days. I never would have thought a Kia would ever get from 0 to 60 in less than 8 secs. I never would have thought a Kia concept would be the best in New York Auto Show. I never would have thought a Kia V8 BOF SUV would have a higher mpg than others who been making V8s decades ago. Never in a million years. Boy Amazing really amzaing. Ok keep going talk about Kia’s past again, Ill be reading so I can get a good laugh.

    Like Wow said earlier, I ruin Kia huh, How could I ruin Kia? The past is just too damn funny. That Pento and Sephia should really have ruined Kia more than what I said a few months earlier. That crappy Sephia lol. What kinda name was that? They decided to rhyme it with Kia. Kia Sephia Kia Sephia. I drive a Kia Sephia lol. Boy wasn’t that red bage an embressement or what? That cheap looking thing. I remeber some guy with a Cady. A Sephia hit his car. The first thing he said was “Hey you I got Sephia on my car!!” Lol. That’s when their value was really really crappy. That car took about 20 seconds to get up to 60 on the highway. Lol.

  92. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 3:41 am

    And you guys actually thought a Kia fan would like Kia soooo much they would think the first generation Rio is better than a Impreza? Lol. S**t that wasn’t better than a Toyota Echo. Lol. I really feel bad for the person who got a Rio without a radio 8 years ago and had to listen to their enigne with the overdrive off? Lol.

  93. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 am

    Hey Wow, if I was Korean, I be ashamed of Korean cars too. Back in thoes days what could Korean cars do? Now Hyundai is making transmissions for some German car company. So I’m assuming Kia will have the same tranmissions since Hyundai makes transmissions for Kia. As crappy is Kia was in those days, how on earth did they manage to sell 1 million cars in 10 years fater than BMW, Toyota and Mazda? I guess they just got lucky in some areas. Anyway continue on.

  94. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 am

    Y’all wanted the past I brought yall Kia’s past.

  95. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 4:03 am

    Yall remember when Kia’s side molding used to come off just by a touch of a finger because it was so cheap back then? Lol. Heck I still see old Kia’s missing side moldings. Lol. All thoes old Kias got some kind of ding on it from the parking lots and stuff. Lol. And the Kia owners wouldn’t even give a f**k. Remeber when the first generation Optima had those same pathatic alloys from the first geneation Rio? And they had the nerve to make the Optima a Camry and Accord rivals. Hahahahahahaha. The Optima back then was nothing but a midsize Rio with a V6. I remember the saying. I remeber a father telling his daughter this, “If you keep getting A’s school, I’ll get you the Kia with the 10s but you gotta keep them clean.” Lol. I never knew how Kia’s past was so funny!!!

  96. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 am

    You haters remember when Kia used cheap paint and if you went to a brushless car wash, the finish would start peeling off? Lol? That cheap paint back then.

  97. JTZ Says:

    May 2nd, 2009 at 4:12 am

    I remeber seeing a 2001 Rio hit a bump in the street and an alloy well came off. Lol. Hmmm, I wish I could talk about a Kia up to date but I really can’t think of anything to say. Hmmm, the Forte looks like a Civic?

  98. JTZ Says:

    May 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 am

    Y’all Kia haters remember when the 1997 Sportage would rust out after a thunderstorm? That’s because they couldn’t afford stainless steel back then. Lol. Mean, Korea was sooo poor I can’t believe that actually used Kia vehicels to defend their country. I see why they needed the American’s to help them with N. Korea what could how could a Kia Retona defend anything? I guess that’s why they made it look like a Jeep to throw off enemies to make it seem as if it was an American SUV.

    So this is what it feels like to be a Kia hater for once. Who would have known as crappy as Kia was I would be a pround owner and fan of them? Never in million years lol.

  99. JTZ Says:

    May 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 am

    Thanks haters, because of you guys, now everytime you bring up Kia’s past, I realize it’s better to laugh than to defand a Kia Sephia. After all it’s not like Kia makes them anymore. Lol.

  100. JTZ Says:

    May 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 am

    When Kia first came to the U.S. with that rusted out sportage and that Kia Sephia, I would have never thought they would be a proud partner of the NBA. Never in a million years.

  101. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    May 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 am

    JTZ I loved that Sportage though. The Sortage should have stayed a very small truck. Its grown too big these days, I think.

  102. JTZ= fail Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 3:36 am

    kia no character and engineering failure might as well put a engine on shopping cart sure it works but it doesn’t have an appeal. I think all suv’s are shitty, We are talking about sports cars and your so called “best car of the year” comparing suvs means nothing. Hideous looking cars btw, horrible response, slow, poor suspension, poor chassis. SURE IT WORKS but shitty and cheap so it sells. Would i ever own one no. No one talked about the past it is the present not even close to a drivers car.

  103. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 4:34 am

    Hmmmm, explain why the Forte has bad suspenstion and horrible responeses. Explain why the Borrego, current Sorento and new Sorento also are horrible like bac in the Kia Sephia years? Explain why they suck? Explain why the cee’d sucks and the hot selling Soul sucks. This isn’t just because I’m a fan I’m going by journals and looking at sells and JTZ=fail explain why they’re wrong for up to date Kias and your right!!!. I’m allllll ears. I want to know why the Forte Koup sucks (although that’s now what test drivers say). I want to know alll that. But, remember back in the Kia Sephia years when their concepts sucked and were ugly? Why are they’re concepts still the same but sells are picking up? So the 2011 Sportage is going to suck too? The VG is going to suck too? Why? I can explain why back in the Kia sephia years they sucked. I can’t think of anything and neither can you. You just don’t like Kia but that ok because your opinion is doing nothing on cee’d, soul, picanto, cerato/Forte or neither Sportage sells. You can keep this blog going as long as you want too.

  104. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 4:48 am

    Now you want to talk about the present. Ok, start explaining why the Kia Forte in S.Korea sucks?

  105. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 5:02 am

    “SURE IT WORKS but shitty and cheap so it sells.” As for cheap interior, yeah in the past they had cheap interior. So how your saying the 2009 Kia Borrego and 2010 Kia Sorento has cheap interior? Hmmm, I guess paying $45,000 for a Kia Borrego is a rip off then? Hmmm, you should go to a Kia Borrego, Soul forum and say exactly what you said. That way the actual owners who seem satisfied with their Kias can see. But this time, don’t put any virses on it.

  106. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 5:26 am

    You wanna talk about Sports cars huh? Here I read an article on about the Kia Super cee’d and on race 1 it came in first place and race 2 and came in 3rd place. I never would have though a Kia would be in the rally let alone beat many cars that have been in the rally for years. I never would have thought that never in a million years. NBA where amazing happens. Here you want my sitations? I love you haters. I see why Mercedes wants to switch over to Korean transmissions. http://www.dailysportscar.com/viewArticle.cfm?articleUID=174156D6-1143-FDC9-35DA146EFAD01B86
    Oh yeah, didn’t the Kia cee’d quality get ranked higher than BMW? I never would have thought that never in a million years. NBA where amazing happens.

  107. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 5:33 am

    Now go back to the Kia spehia years. You say Kias present sucks but its not as funny because you can’t really explain why a current or future Kia model sucks. For example, the Kia Enterprize sucked because it had very low horsepower and no performance. The 1997 Kia Sportage rusted out. The Kia Sephia had no horsepwoer and no quality let alone value. The Forte hmmmmmmmmmm looks like a civic. Lol. The Borrego, hmmmmmm. The cee’d hmmmmmmm. Darn I’m still can’t think. Did anyones 2007 Kia cee’d rust out? Borrego owners, does your performace suck? Hmmmm, Soul owners? Forte Owners, is the Forte under horsepwoer (although it has class leading horsepwoer), does it have trouble picking up from 0 to 60 on the highway? JTZ=Fail needs a good reason why KiaS UP TO DATE Suck.

  108. JTZ= fail Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 5:51 am

    lol just because it is sold for 45,000 its must be good! Well who ever bought it must be a dumb ass who said i was going through by journals through experience. because it has a cheap price went to check out cars or my nephew I don’t like it one bit. btw i don’t like civics either. Did i ever said it would rust out no? i can give you a 90 hp car and you will have no problem going 0-60 and best in its class? what is its class? I live in california I barely see any car rust. I rate cars from an car enthusiast point of view and any car can be a fast quick car on the track with plenty of money, but the chassis is just not a cost effective chassis design for the track so yes it sucks. You keep saying I am implying to older cars no im applying to the newer ones too. I still think the Kia and Sorento has cheap interior and the fact that it is priced that high is rediculous.

  109. JTZ= fail Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 5:58 am

    I have never talked about the past please read carefully. I will judge when i get to test it. Hyundai never really made a decent sports car until the new genesis coupe it isn’t the best looking car but a great platform im not being baised im just stating from personal experience. I never got to try the regular genesis but it can’t be too far from performance of the coupe so for you sir I explained b4 why i don’t like it. SUV’s suck because of high center of gravity i don’t care if you are talking about a Porsche cayenne or a bmw x5. I don’t like them not good platforms. many companies are coping eac other in terms of looks but the chassis is most important. THAT IS WHY IT SUCKS.

    SO don’t say “now you want to talk about the present” when i never talked about the past.

    What is a point of choosing a car when 90% of the cars out there “have no problem getting to 0-60″ it is the feeling and how you get there.

  110. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    We should be more militant about controlling the haters on this site here. JTZ=Fail and KIA SUCKS DICK; how do they have accounts here, how is that possible? Man you guys are too nice, but I love yall guys here though!!!! By the way, the KIA Sephia, power to Gas mileage to price ratio was a good value in its day!!!! A Corolla with the same gas mileage and power was $5000 more ($13,000) in an era where the average price of a C-Segment car was $10,000. So, it s a no brainer on why some decided to buy the KIA.

  111. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Look at the interiors, KIA just copied off the Corolla. By the way I know people who still own Sephias after 200,000 miles, they just take good care of them. Im a Hyundai guy but Ill considering buying a product from our little brothers over at KIA. I want a Soul truck!!!!

  112. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    That was in the years when the Rio and Accent had different powertrains. The KIAs always even today, have a less restrictive stock air filter than the Accent, resulting in more low end torque off the race line and better fuel economy.

  113. KIAEater Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    LOL Nice KIABARU…For the money invested into that KIA you could have gotten a nice used BRAT…LOL
    But seriously Im flattered that you admire us Subaru guys so much. Is it our car’s racing heritage?(20yrs of Rally) The sound of the Boxer-4 Or is it just the large wing and hood scoop that attracts people (like mosquitos to the zapper). At any rate it was nice of you to think of us when you went and took a car that most people who live a life of mediocrity, who use it solely for transport, and turned it into a real head turner. We are thoroughly enjoying pics of the car at our Subaru Forum and looks forward to seeing some performance numbers and 1/4 mi. times.
    Ill always remember my 1 and only experience in a KIA. Having my car in for service, the dealer rented me a Sportage back in 2000 and it drove about 1/2 mile before it stalled and began to smoke right in the middle of a busy intersection. Not a good 1st impression to say the least. Hopefully this car doesnt have the same issues because it looks like the owner did a fine job building the motor.

  114. JTZ Says:

    May 16th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    So, what do you haters think of the Super cee’d I brung up? I never would have expected a Kia to have done what it did in that race. Not in a million years. You know what I really like about Kias, is whenever they win something it’s like a big suprise but when others who have been having horsepower and in races for years it doesn’t really turn heads like Kias do. Kinda like that article I brung up. The Kia cee’d seem to have had more pictures taken than any other car in that race and most talked about for wins. Kia “The Power to Suprise” It’s like when Porche wins the average mind is like will I sorta expected it since they makes very good and fast performance cars. It seems when Kia gets into this sorta of racing people are all over this because even a Kia fan like me wouldn’t expect a win. In other words when a car manfacturer loeses to another its nothing. But when they lose to a Kia it’s more of a big deal. I like that!!!

  115. is this a joke? Says:

    May 18th, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Really? Seriously? Yes. . .this machine will dominate all Subarus. *Cough* *Cough* LOL. . .sorry, I couldn’t keep from laughing any longer! HHHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

  116. Subaru Owner Says:

    May 20th, 2009 at 7:43 am

    I grew up in a Subaru family; my family and I have owned them since the 80s. My first car was one, and my mother father and sister all own them. My friend just bought an ’08 Rio. It’s a fun, lively little car to drive, especially on the twisty mountain roads where we live.

    I grew up praising subarus which, despite their numerous little quirks and minor annoyances, are extremely satisfying. BUT, I recently found myself looking forward more to the release of the Forte than that of the new Legacy. Both companies have their past upswings and downswings, but personally, I think that Kia has made near-epic improvements in quality and appeal since 1994.

    And as anyone who’s bought multiple new cars knows, no matter what brand, there’ll be hits and misses with everything. Lets hope that Kia will get a few more hits on their side before they go head-to-head with Subaru, but they do still have “The Power to Surprise”…

  117. Subaru Owner Says:

    May 20th, 2009 at 7:47 am

    And the car looks great Dan. It’s definitely got that unique, “wtf-WAS-that?” factor going for it, as opposed to the Civic, which everyone and their grandmother is driving, usually with rims on worth more than the rest of the car… o.0
    Props to ya!

  118. yanick Says:

    May 21st, 2009 at 12:29 am

    I just wana know.. do you live at Québec because I think that I already see your car at Montreal ?!

  119. jefftheworld Says:

    May 23rd, 2009 at 12:29 am

    I’m pretty sure I just saw your car today parked around Kennedy. I always used to see what I thought were two WRXs, but just today I noticed that one was a Kia and I was confused. A little googling got me here. I’ve got to know, is that yours?

  120. eric Says:

    May 24th, 2009 at 7:58 am

    looks more like an old sentra. i’d rather have a sentra se-r spec v though.

  121. JTZ=LOL Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    AHahahahhaha IWSTi checking in.

    Ferraris are red. Kia’s are cheap. Those are two constants in the universe.

  122. JTZ=LOL Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Hey JTZ! You must be the Cliff Claven of the Kia world. So much knowledge on a subject that nobody cares about.

  123. jeff_09_REX IWSTI HERE Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 3:11 am

    so… from all of this i agree with every kia hater. lol people who tune kias are… sad.. sad… saaaaad people. Kia in itself is a (“Cheap”) car, but thats the point they are coming around still behind mind you but if I didnt have much money and wanted a new car I would LOVE to own a kia.

    that said… JTZ… go die you have absolutely no life sitting here on the computer typing on a forum day in and day out for a kia rio

    May 2 May 2 May 2 May 2 May 2 May 2 May 2 May 2 then a couple may 3 still nobody caring then took a break may 16 may 16 may16 stillllllll no body caring about your exsistance.. Im going to book mark this page to come back to it to see if nobody still cares.

  124. jeff_09_REX IWSTI HERE Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 3:13 am

    oh and… guys you made my day was having kinda a rough day then read this from the spotted ricers thread read some and was having a blast

    Just want to end on a good note on kia-world.. thank you for making my day ;)

  125. Matt Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 4:30 am

    Hey Jeff, where on earth did JTZ say the Rio was better than the Impreza? I didn’t read that anywhere in his statments. He seems more of a current Kia fan and doesnt’ seem to be very interested in Kia’s past (which I can’t blame him). P.s. I’m not a Kia fan and never wanted one but that Forte Koup I saw on here is sweet. I want one. I’m a Subaru fan but I can’t really find a real reason to argue why the Impreza is better than the Rio for 2 reasons. 1. JTZ, the one who seems to be more targeted never said the Rio was better than an Impreza and 2. JTZ just dogged the Rio worst than anyone on this article.
    Besides, you just twisted his commets. I like a real argument but I don’t see one. I just see one person changing his name and having too much time on their hands. This argument sucks. I think Subaru is better when it comes to racing but I’m not getting a real argument here. Besides, the Forte is more an Impreza Rival not the Rio an economy car. So, this is sorta boring. Kia is turning my head more and more but this argument sucks. Whatelse well I say the same thing the Subaru fans say the “it’s a laugh”. Please come on Jeff get to a more serious argument. As for JTZ just ignore him he wants you to respond I think he’s a child or atleast acting like one. Now, if you excuse me I’m going back to 2009 and out of 2004. But Subaru still rules but this isn’t even an argument. It’s more on JTZ.

  126. jeff_09_REX IWSTI HERE Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 4:55 am

    ? I never said nothin bout no rio? Im not one to bash korean cars I myself own a tiburon… so..?

  127. Greg Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 5:02 am

    I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting.

  128. WRB STI Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Wow. So I found this page located in a “Spotted: Ricers!” Thread. We’re looking at this while at work – and the one guy here that drives a Rio says he’s disgusted with your car.

    Oh, and thanks for ripping off the Impreza looks. Nice to know you’re jealous and envy those cars. There won’t be an agreement in this argument – obviously you’re for Kia, I’m for Subaru. If you’re serious about this car though – why didn’t you just save money and actually get someone worth tracking? I don’t mean that in an insulting way – but what was the motivation to get the Kia, over say – a Camaro, Mustang, Subaru, Corvette? It would have been a better base to build up from. Just my thoughts.

  129. Greg Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting..

  130. disturbed3269 Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I always get “Nice car” when people see my STi. That’s the thought that usually goes on in their head. On the other hand, when people see a Kia; they think or say, ” what a thrifty person.”

  131. Greg Says:

    May 29th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting…

  132. disturbed3269 Says:

    May 31st, 2009 at 12:23 am

    ^^^^Shut up douche!!! Get a real performance vehicle!!! I have no issues with people trying to mod their car but be serious about what you got and what it can do. Focus on cars that you can actually compete with, like stock hondas and neons.

  133. Greg Says:

    May 31st, 2009 at 1:14 am

    I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting….

  134. isellkia Says:

    May 31st, 2009 at 1:27 am

    this is silly i would suggest locking the thread. It will take a few more years for people to have faith in kia. Untill then we will have to deal with these idiots

  135. disturbed3269 Says:

    May 31st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Idiots? You guys guys are investing money into Kias and your calling Kia haters, idoits! Wow, wake up dude! You like your grandmom’s car. Save a few thousands bucks and get a car with real potential.

  136. Ozy Tone Says:

    June 1st, 2009 at 2:42 am

    Yes Greg, I agree with you. I must have seen this discussion raging on some several weeks back and I’m not going to re-read the last posts, but I think it’s an old story where different people like or love different vehicles and thank god for that otherwise it’ be very boring for us all to been seen driving and be driving the same boring vehicle.
    Apart from the the guy that started the whole discussion who I gather drives a Kia, I don’t know what sort of vehicle the others drive or would like to drive, but there’s one thing to remember, just because a certain vehicle is popular doesn’t mean it’s good, or necessarly any better than a car that not many people drive and luckly enough we have the right of free choice and lets keep it that way.

  137. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    June 1st, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Leave KIA alone assholes. Honda and Toyota have had their times. They are eating lunch now, and KIA sees the opportunity. Honda and Toyota designs are becoming boring vannila and bland, them along with Nissan have deteriorating build quality. Nissan is the worst, with borrowed Renault engines causing engine fires; taking their quality rankings from the top ten, to the bottom 20. Dont worry though, KIA has taken their place in the excellent reliablity department.

    Look at this article assholes:

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-10-23-cr-reliability-ranking_N.htm

  138. disturbed3269 Says:

    June 1st, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    ^^^ Any car is better than a Kia!!! This started because it was said that Kia has better quality vehicles than subaru. Kia sells more because it is more affordable than a subaru vehicle. About the quality, take your Kia out to the track and off road and see hong long it will last. At least i know my STi will make back home from the track or some rally and go to work for the next 5 days and then again trash my STi at the track.

  139. Greg Says:

    June 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    ^^^ That is your opinion, which is most definitely not shared by all people. I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting.

  140. disturbed3269 Says:

    June 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    ^^^Dude, bro, cuz, what ever you are…stop posting the same thing you f’ing loser, my opinion is shared by 99% of car lovers. The other 1% is you Kia lovers. I quite frankly dont understand why Kia but I realized a while back that the car you get no matter what it is, is treated and loved as if it were a 1.5 million dollar vehicle. Thats cool but realized that no matter what you have someone has something better than you. Also be realistic about what your really is…A F’ING Kia. Love it but be serious. Greg, post something new or ignore the posts like most of the people.

  141. jtz Says:

    June 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    ^^^That is your opinion, which is most definitely not shared by all people. I think that it is about time to just end this discussion. It is going nowhere, no one is being convinced, so lets just agree to disagree, and stop posting.

  142. jd Says:

    June 13th, 2009 at 2:15 am

    this is for all that talks trash about rios. i owen a 03 rio and 05 accent and they both will smoke the doors off an v-teck any day sorry thats just the way it is cus!

  143. Omar D. Says:

    June 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Hey, im a Kia Rio rs 2003 owner n ive been searching for the rear wing on the back of the 2004 turbo edition… ive called many places yet no1 can find me 1 and most dealers dont even know about it. i was just wondering if it was possible to have the last 6numbers of the serial number of ur kia.. its my last chance to find the rear wing, i was told if i can find out the last 6numbers of 1 of those 500, 2004 turboed Kia rio, id have a good chance to get the rear wing… it would b much appreciated if u can give me that info… if anything please email me : an_arabic_guy@hotmail.com

  144. Jamez Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    ok, i just got a 03 kia rio
    completely stock
    nothing abnormal about it

    i wanna make it just…quicker
    i dont want it to be a drag car or anything
    i just feel like i need a bit more acceleration and speed

    what should i do to achieve this?

  145. polarrioo4 Says:

    July 7th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    The best mods you an do to any stock kia is the following.

    save up 2 grand.

    1.new header,and 2.25 to 2.5 inch full exhaust system thats unrestrictive. (megan racing)
    2. big bore throttle body.(kfxperformance)
    3. ecu reprogrammed by (kuk of korea)
    4. build a turbo kit on 8psi (garrett)

    this will give you more power and torque. and a smile.

    your second option would be to just find a early 90′s mazda 323 gtx. b6 is almost identical as the kia a6 engine and the b6 mazda has the same power as doing these mods to the a6. i personaly own both cars and enjoy them both. both cars are quick and great platforms for street fighters.

    and to compare a 1.6 liter to a 2.5 liter or better sti or wrx is fuckin stupid. thats like saying a person who is 5’3 will outrun a person who is 6’3..

    the kia rio 1.6 is def faster than any car in its own class and some 1.7 and 1.8 liter vehicles.

    kia is not only the best in the usa but its over sea’s market is insane. i wish we had some of the vehicles in the usa cause all the kia haters would be be driving kia cars for sure.kia has like 25 cars in there line up. subaru has like 4 or 5 that are worth owning and half were made in the 90′s.

    ya’ll are fucking kidding me right!!! what do you drive a computer mouse!!

  146. isellkia Says:

    July 8th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    wow….this thread is still going.

  147. KreeSeeker Says:

    July 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    I have a 2002 Rio with a 2003 1.6 DOHC engine.I was wondering if having a newer engine in an older car makes any difference when modding?

  148. KIA no good Says:

    July 13th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    KIA = Keep It Away

  149. KIA-FTL Says:

    July 17th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    I am looking to modify my shopping cart to make it as fast as a Kia Rio. Any suggestions?

  150. Kiasucks Says:

    July 21st, 2009 at 3:31 am

    I am looking to modify my hamster wheel to have as much HP as a Kia Rio. Any suggestions?

  151. Greg Says:

    July 21st, 2009 at 6:50 am

    buy a dead hamster, LOL!

  152. john doe Says:

    July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    but its w/e u like

  153. Kialicksnuts Says:

    August 16th, 2009 at 2:49 am

    Kia licks nuts

  154. bayraksatinal Says:

    September 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    thank you for sharing Congratulations on a very beautiful designed site

  155. brandon Says:

    September 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    haha this is jokes, if dan really wants to dream his life away we should let him. but really he can’t be going around telling stupid people that his kia rio 1 of 500 turbo car is dusting WRX’s thats just out of the question. i personally think my 92 legacy lsi turbo stock all the way would take your car dan, and i would actually race you i live in oshawa , you and i both know that its not far from where you live so if you want i will come to you and in pickering & we can race?
    if by some act of god you do win i will make sure to bring my summer car stock too just paint job to give your head a shake and put you right in line with you going around thinking you have “FAST” car

  156. brandon Says:

    September 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    sorry forgot to mention that my summer car happens to be a 1994 rx-7 13 b twin turbo

  157. bayrakci Says:

    October 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Thanks for the post.

  158. Jesus Says:

    October 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    wow, this is helpful. ive got a 2008 kia rio that i plan on turboing after the warranty runs out, and ive been doing lots of research on what different pistons to use, cranks, etc. I bet your rio would woop brandons legacy haha, the 08 comes with the vvti which kind of sucks seeing how im plannin the turbo, but whatever. the things are so damn light its not even funny. go get some 15 inch mini cooper rims, there are companies that will widen rims as well to help with your traction problem, and you can weld your differential to get rid of the torque steer. :D

  159. Jesus Says:

    October 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    P.S. Half the allure of the kia rio is the sleeper aspect, imagine the feelings a poor camaro owner would have when a little ol’ kia rio pulls up next to em and revvs, and mr hott stuff decides to show the kia a few things, only to get owned. im a DSM tuner by nature, owned a million and loved em all, but in my wifes rio, i see an opportunity to have a little fun, and some serious laughs at the misfortune of many camaro and mustang owners. hahahaha

  160. Alex Says:

    November 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 am

    Hey dan i just bought a used 2001 kia rio. i was wondering what could i do to modify the engine and how much do you think it would cost?

  161. Dan Says:

    November 13th, 2009 at 2:27 am

    Hey Brandon where and when. I’m actually in Whitby. You might as well just bring the RX7 it will save you the trip home after I whoop your Legacy’s ass.

  162. Dan Says:

    November 13th, 2009 at 2:30 am

    And I’ll make sure I video tape it, So if the Rio does beat you, (the RX7 will be close) you can’t go talking trash about how you beat it. If I lose I have no problem posting it on you tube. I have my own ego my car is not an extension of it. I really have nothing to prove.

  163. Nick Says:

    December 7th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    hey man i have an 01 rio and i was wondering if any of the newer 1.6′s would fit in it.

  164. tommy Says:

    December 9th, 2009 at 2:15 am

    hi i am a 5 yeer old boy i have my big weel that i gotted for cwistmis i bet i can beet a kia rio wif it

  165. Greg Says:

    December 9th, 2009 at 3:59 am

    Yeah I bet you could too, and I bet your not really five.

  166. eddy Says:

    January 23rd, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Hi, I see U made it really good and I’ve the same rio just estate, so I thought I’m going to tuning my vehile and I want to know how much did U spend in total for engine..? thanx..

  167. Dan Says:

    February 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    I spent a total of $6.34 on mods for my Rio. That includes the gay spoiler too!

  168. Dan Says:

    February 19th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Atleast get it right if you are going to pretend to be me. The spoiler was $6.34, the engine mods were over $3K.

  169. chan Says:

    March 2nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    sorry for my english i speak french but i have this car and this car don’t have a power. His shape his good but the power…

  170. Joe Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Sure you have the same car but I doubt you have half the stuff done this guy has so maybe that’s why you don’t have any power.

  171. Alfredo Says:

    March 8th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Hello Dan, I just bought the same car but in red and live close to Toronto as well. A friend of mine has a shop but neither one of us knows where to start on this project. Please give me a hand and point me in the right direction. I also have an Audi S6, I’ve read you took on a WRX. Nothing against WRX STI, but you have no idea how many Asians in the Richmond Hill area have tried to take on my S6.

  172. Dan Says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Alfredo sign into streetkiaz.com/streetkiazx and send me a pm. My screen name is 2004riotuner.

  173. Dan Says:

    April 14th, 2010 at 4:43 am

    OK guys. I have decided to sell my gay ass pile of shit kia and buy a new WRX! Thanks for opening my eyes to the fail that is kia!

  174. Stoneman Says:

    April 15th, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Dan,

    When you get the WRX just be careful with that car. The 265 bhp is really fast (almost as quick as the STi). And it’s really easy to get lost in the understeer. The car is very, very dangerous if you’re not used to coping with understeer. I suggest practicing in abandoned parking lots or abandoned streets with snow. You’ll get a good idea on how the car handles. While you’re in Quebec, you’ll need to get winter tires.

    My advice: Do NOT get different sized tires or different treads or wear amounts. Ensure all are the same or you will be damaging your differentials and transmission. NEVER do hard drops of the clutch to impress your friends. You’ll just break the $4,000 drive train. Take your first 1000 kilometers easy and don’t go over 3,000 rpm.

    Pretend like you’re driving grandma’s car. Check out my site if you want to hear about some funny driving stories. Good luck with your car.

  175. SelimRio Says:

    May 4th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Hey Dan,
    I’m Selim from Egypt, I have a ’04 Rio too, but green, and with the 1.3 liter engine, wanted to ask about where i can find a limited slip differential (Torsen preferably) or if it is possible to fit a Mazda B6 aftermarket LSD in my gearbox, the closer to “direct fit” the better.
    Thanks a lot.

  176. Dan Says:

    May 13th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Stoneman you are kidding right.. 265 BHP is *REALLY FAST* You talk as if you are talking to a 5 year old. Secoindly do you think that is really me calling my car a gay ass pile of shit. I Kinda doubt it. Thirdly this was posted years ago. So much has changed in the car now. The Rio now is making over 230hp at the front wheels on 12psi thanks to a larger turbo, more efficient setup and much better tuning. 265 BHP in an AWD is what maybe 220-230 at all wheels.. That would be a cake walk to drive. You AWD guys forget what torque steer is. Try driving on the highway doing a 100 and mash it in 4th gear and watch the car change 3 lanes before you gain control again. I’m 100% positive I could handle a WRX’s *AMAZING* factory horsepower numbers no problem, For the rest of you talk all you want. The shit that shows up on here is rather humorous, I get props from people who drive everything in the real world. It’s all of you internet guys and mostly the Subaru forums but hell you guys don’t even like Subarus unless they have Rotas and Hella horns, so go figure that out. Trust me I know. I have a few friends on the Subi forums and they say that most of you guys are difficult to begin with.

  177. Bring it Says:

    May 26th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Dan- Bring your pile of shit car. I will bring my 09 stage 2 WRX. we will race. we will bet money. we will post you getting smoked on youtube! you will cry. you will sell your kia and only get $23 for it.

  178. jjjjj Says:

    May 30th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    You honestly suck.

  179. roger Says:

    July 24th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    HAVE A KIA RIO CINCO 2004 1.6, WILL NOT ACCELERATE, TENDS TO BOG DOWN. rEPLACED FUEL FILTER. WHEN IDLING WILL NOT REV UP. ANY ANSWERS

  180. Greg Says:

    July 24th, 2010 at 6:50 am

    check throttle cable

  181. wtf Says:

    July 26th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    So? Are you guys racing or what? Or is this all a pissing contest? Race, fools!

  182. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    July 29th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Subaru WRX is a Compact Car. Rio=Subcompact Car. If the Rio loses, which Iam quite sure it wont, but if it does its because its in a different class of car.
    -
    I bet a Subaru Justy/Diahatsu Boon with a Turbo would get smoked ALL DAY EVERY DAY ANY DAY by the Turbo Rio.
    -
    Bring that Subie if you want playa, but I think Dan has some KIASmoke for that Ass.

  183. RIGHT!!! Says:

    August 6th, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Dan I will give you credit for making something out of car that has nothing in terms of an adrenaline rush…. but man i need you to stop there, coz years of rallying experience and the technology behind creating a STI compared to a street mod car….. really… dude your saying your car is better than a Subaru, then why did you make it look like one…. what i really hate is guys make cars that looks like the EVOs and the STIs and try to compare or better try to talk big about their saying its better than the EVO or the STI. Dan, wake up, come to reality, with what ever that you have done it may be fast but dude a stock STI will wack the day lights out of your car….. and also the time you said that you smoked a Subaru, you may be got yourself a pussy driver that cant even keep his clutch balancing right….. the only reason im telling you this is i had a STI and now i have a RIO i did the best that i can to make the RIO come even close to what the STI was but man, its not even close, the response the handling, and forget all off that the rumble it makes when you make an entrance…. now that you can never get with a KIA….. so DAN im sorry to bust your bubble but dude WAKE UP!!

  184. jtz Says:

    August 6th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    What differance does it make? If the Subie wins or the Rio wins big deal the sun still rises in the east and sets at the west and people are still born and will die. And there still ain’t a cure for cancer. BigDeal This argument is well over a year old. When it first started, Bush was still President of the USA.

  185. Dan Says:

    August 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I have never once compaired to the STi. The WRX yeah all day, but not a WRX STi. The big problem here is alot of people have said alot of things. Most of you don’t read what I have written and take shots at me for it. Like JTZ says this whole thing is over 2 years old. The car is nothing like it used to be. And no I didn’t make it that way, once again you don’t read the important information, you just tack on to what other people say. I never added the spoiler or hood scoop, they came like that from Kia.

  186. Chode_Smoker Says:

    August 18th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Sorry but that is a total shit box! Typical ricer mobile!! I’d love to see Jeremy Clarkson drop a caravan on it!!!

  187. jtz Says:

    August 18th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I’d love to see Jermey Clarkson drop a caravan on this pointless and useless 2 year old argument. Big deal the WRX should be the Yaris, Corolla, Accord, Civic, LADA, Chery, Focus, Mazda 2, Mazda3, Accent, Camero, Mustang, Charger and the RDX. And when it wins, what’s going to happens after that unemployment will decrease? Gas prices will go down? Obama will have since knocked into his head? The Moque will not be built in N.Y.? So what’s going to happen if the Rio won the end of the world? I doubt it.

  188. jtz Says:

    August 18th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Hey if the WRX wins, the all the oil in the gulf will be 100% washed away right and HIV and Cancer will be cured!!!

  189. racette1808 Says:

    August 21st, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    i think: if you have a kia as a dayly driver with no mods and your proud of it , well good! kia are not bad and not better then an other car ..its a car.

    BUT if you are going to put some wrx or sti or honda or nissan sport mods like a ricer trying to make your car look like something it is not ..

    WOW. that is stupid. if i had a big bulldozer and i’d see a kia or huynday trying to look like a subaru . id F**k the car up so bad .
    i love subaru .i dont dislike other brand(including kia) (i eaven like there new models)BUT. i HATE people with kia who are trying to look like subaru owners.
    i have a clean and rebuilted outback 97. MY CAR CAME WITH A SCOOP ON THE HOOD.

    if your came with no scoop ..HEHE.,,.. THERE A REASON ;)

  190. racette1808 Says:

    August 21st, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    BTW. the blue peace of shit up there on the pictures
    MAKES ME SICK !

  191. jtz Says:

    August 21st, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Racette1808 what you mean looking like a Suburu? I can get cars from Acura to Volvoo. To Lexus to Infinti to Buick to Honda to Acura to Rollsroyce

    The 2004 Infinti M sedan’s greenhouse looks like a 2002 Legacy. The 2004 Toyota Matrix, has the 2002 Outback’s roofline. The Ford Edge has the 2002 Legacy’s tailights and the new Ford Fusion has the current Impreza’s tailights so you going to bulllozer those too? But what excatly does a Subaru look like? After all, the Outback’s headlights came from the Infinti G sedan’s. The Forester’s front looks like the 2008 Outlander’s face and the new Legacy’s greenhouse looks like the Accord, Genesis, 2006.5 Optima and Infinti G sedan. Racette1808 don’t start with me when it comes to copying because I can gets cars from Acura To Voloos. For example, check out these triplets, VW Iroc, Volvoo 3 door and the upcoming Honda CR-Z hint greenhouse

    Now Racette1808 check out these triplets. Tundra, VW Iroc and Lancer hint faces

    Check out these twins. Chyrlser 300 and Rollsroyce

    Now for the SUVs with slanted C pillars. Iszuz Rodeo, Honda Passport, 97 Outback, Ford Escape, 1st generation Lexus RX, 1st geenration MDX, 1st generation Vue, 1st generation chevy Equionx, 2nd generation Equinox, Buick Rendavous, Toyota 4 Runner, Chevy Blazer but only the 2003 Sorento is unoriginal.

    Sedams wotj c;amted C pillars, 2004 Honda Accord, 2005 Toyota Camry, Cadd CTS, Pontiac G6, 2006 Sonata, Lexus IS, but only the Forte’s C pillar was unoriginal

    Cars with 1992 Ford Taurus greenhouse. 2009 LaCross, 2011 Buick Verno, 2011 Infiniti M sedan, 2002 Subaru Legacy, Saturn L300, 2009 Chevy Impala,

    Cars with Volvoos tailights, Nissan Leaf, Honda CR-V, Saab, Old Lancer Hatch, Chevy Lumania Van, but only the Cee’d SW was the copycat.

    CUVs with C pillars all the way at the back: Chrysler Pacifica, Suzuki XL-7, Infinti FX 45, Toyota Venza, Hyundai Veracuz, Acura RDX, 2nd generation Acura MDX, Mercedes GL class, 2nd generation Lexus RX but only the 2011 Sorento was a copycat

    The 2010 Ford Taurus’s face came from the 1999 Altima’s. The Lincoln MKZ’s greenhouse looks like the 2005 Camry’s

    Cars with the Range Rover’s A pillars, Ford Flex, 2011 Nissan Pathfinder, Mini Cooper, that new Toyota red sports car, Hyundai Veloster, Suzki Swift. These pillars didnt’ get popular until the 2006 Soul arrived.

    Cars and CUVs with similar side profiles:. Jeep Campass, Toyota Rav 4, Mazda 3, 2010 Vibe, Rouge, Tuscon and Nissan Murano.

    Cars with cloned greenhouses, Mercedes CLS and VW CC

    Cars with same tailigths, Mazda 6 and 3rd generation Lexus RX. Lancer and IS: Scion XB and 2009 Honda Pilot, Jeep Grand Cherokee and 1st generation Chevy Equinox. 2009 Accord Coupe and Audi A6. Pontiac G6, Scion TC and 2009 LaCross. 2010 LaCross and BMW. Chevy Traverse and current Infinti FX 45.

    CARS with cloned headlights: Mercedes C Class and Chevy Malibu: Mazda Tribute and Honda Ridgeline, Toyota Venza and Ford Edge: 2004 Toyota Avalon and Saturn Aura, Subaru Outback and 2009 Infinti G Sedan: 2007 Camry and current Acura TL..

    2002 Toyota Avalon and Maybech hint exterior.

    Triplets, Prius, Insight and Leaf. Honda CR-Z, Volvoo 3 door and VW Iroc.

    Let me know if I missed somthing I’d be sure to put it on here.

  192. jtz Says:

    August 21st, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Oh silly me I forgot to get the 2004 Altima’s copycats. Greenhouse, 2009 Accord, 2009 Legacy, Pontiac G8, current Lucerne. Hmmm imagine that.

    Pontiac Grandprix and Ford 500 hint tailights
    Smart and Toyota IQ hint greenhouse.

    Audi A6 and Ford 500 hint greenhouse the new Jaguar X sedan also has that cabin design too!!!!

    So lets see I got Acura, Audi, BMW, Buick Chevy Chrysler, Dodge Huh-da, Infinti, Jaugar, Jeep, Lexus Maybech, Mazda, Mercedes Nissan, Pontiac Rolls Royce, Saab, Saturn, Scion, Smart, Subaru, Suzuki, Toyota Volkswagon and Volvo. Told ja I can get cars from Acuras to Volvoos. Well damn… that’s everybody.

  193. Jtz Says:

    August 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 am

    You know what? You guys want to keep this argument going let’s go! Who thinks the 2012 Explorer is original? Who thinks that the 2005 Huh-da CRV is original? The headlights on that 05′ CR-V is also on the 2004 Lexus GX SUV. The Explorer has the Kia Mesa’s roofline. Will what do you know someone copied Kia. Just like the Mitsubishi Eclips and Civic coupe copied the 2003 Kia KCV-3 concept. The New Infiniti FX’s headlights came from Hyundai’s old HCD 1,2 and 3 concepts. Mazda 3, Nissan Sentra and Saturn Ion hint cabin designs. So you guys want to keep a two year old argument going BRing it on because cars came out in the early 1900′s and I can un dig the designs from the 30′s, 40′s, 50′s, 60′s, 70′s, 80′s and 90′s. Camero, Mustang and Challenger hint greenhouse. Nissan z, Porsche 911 and Audi TT hint greenhouse. Porsche 911, Dodge Neon, 1998 Impreza, VW Beatle, Toyota FJ, Jeep, hint headlights. Because I’m Jtz who wants to dare challenge me?

  194. Jtz Says:

    August 22nd, 2010 at 6:16 am

    The Chrysler P.T. exterior ain’t original because Bonnie and Claude robbed banks with it.

  195. Jtz Says:

    August 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 am

    For now on everytime someone commets on here, I’m commetting too on clones, jocks and cloned cars. Cars you thought were original until I posted on Autoblog, Edmunds, Motortrend, Leftlane, Burlappcars, Autowereld, and this blog.

  196. yue Says:

    September 1st, 2010 at 5:26 am

    You can take Any Car and is you know how to modify cars you can make it look nice and more faster.
    I wanted to say to that idiot guy the one he say he is looking to modify his hamster guy you are a Idiot
    you have no Idea about cars and you say any suggestions? i got one for you put your hamster in your ass
    because i see that is the onley thing you know abouth it .
    I have a 2005 Kia Rio 4 Doors and in here in PR we work seriously with any cars and you know how much
    horse powers we got in this Kia all moust 440 hp we kik ass and i all ready beat the crap of new evo,subaru and specialy the acura so waht i say is you can take any car and make some good modifications and yes i understand
    the Kia Rios are just a simple and a family car and is not a sport car but i like my car and i make some special modifications so to the guys like to jocks about others cars look your serf in the mirror before you talk bullshit abouth others.
    I am a profecional Mechanic and let me tell you something son
    I prefered drive a simple Kia to drive a evo,honda,acura,or toyota you know way because they have tomany recalls .
    this Kia look like a Subaru and look nice God bless you guy and hope you can enjoy your Kia for long time.

  197. Edwin Says:

    September 1st, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Brandon
    you don’t know me but i know you
    i personally think your 92 legacy lsi turbo stock is a pice off shit
    i see it and i hear it and that car make to much noice is like your mouth talk to much
    i see you pass by my house hahahahaha i can hear the noise of your car and you steel in the same place hahahaha
    what a pice of junk and the other day i see a old lady pass you with a pice of junk car
    what a day what a guy WHAT A IDIOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    I can beat you with my bicycle

  198. jimbojones Says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 am

    So, I have read all of the posts, really, I’m that bored. I have a 2003 rio and a 2010 spectra SE. I bought the rio because it was cheap, 7 years ago. To the day, no engine problems. I have towed trailers with it, thrown plywood on the roof, loads of lumber in the hatch. I beat this car to hell. I would never do this to a more expensive car. The thing is, the darn thing reminds me of my 2000 S10, drives like an S10 and has the power of a 231 v6. I can’t complain. I have had over 20 cars in my life, and really I like Kias. Easy to fix, cheap to fix. They are designed for regular people with regular incomes. If I had a couple of thousand, I’d pimp my rio…why, because pimpin a rio is a challenge, it’s different and really if it makes me feel better to take what I have and make it better, then I will do so and in the end I’ll know I have something special. Modifying these little cheap cars will not make them spectacular, just like moding a dodge omni, or plymouth horizon or a chevette, what it does do is create a bond between you and the vehicle. So I think the arguments here are nothing more than car-centric jealousy. Love your car, no matter what it is, make it something that you will take care of and sustain. There is not wrong in that. By the way, If you want to dog out a car, dog a car that has been modded from all of the stick on bling in isle two of Advanced Auto Parts and that sounds like a couple of bolts in a tin can going down the street. Dan’s Kia is minimal outside, but he did good on the engine mods.

  199. Peter Says:

    October 1st, 2010 at 5:23 am

    You all really need help… And dan 3k on the motor? Your dreaming I see 6-9k on the rebuild, and custom turbo kit alone. Lets not pretend you didnt blow too much money on it…

    Coming from a 625 bhp corvette owner.. with a lowly Gc8 subaru beater..

  200. George Says:

    November 2nd, 2010 at 7:27 am

    Hey Dan =)

    I am looking to drop a turbo in my completely stock Kia Rio 2005 DC hatchback. It has done 60,000 KM, would you reccomend this. If so what turbo kit would I be looking at purchasing and how much do you think this will cost with labour included.

    Also with dropping the turbo how much power gain am I looking at and will fuel consumption differ greatly. Youve done a really good job, so your advice is gold lol =)

    Thanks

  201. KiaBlows Says:

    November 3rd, 2010 at 4:37 am

    your kia= riced out POS

  202. x kia tech Says:

    November 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    You paid money for that? A kia is like a bics razor…..disposable after one use.

  203. Dan Says:

    January 12th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    guys, I finally wised up and traded in the Kia. Dealership was only willing to offer me a already-chewed up piece of gum for it, but I talked them up to giving me the ENTIRE box of doughnuts from the service waiting area. Thats gotta be worth something, right? It was Krispy Kreme! So anyway I am now the proud owner of a Dodge SRT-4. Overal quality sucks as bad as my old kia did, but now I have a factory turbo! SRT4 is teh fastar! who wants to race?

  204. Dan Says:

    February 16th, 2011 at 3:04 am

    Well guys I just totalled my SRT-4 becuase I couldnt handle the massive HP and ended up torque steering into a fire hydrant. looks like my SRT-4 was built as well as my old kia. Any ideas on what to get next? Im thinking of buying a daewoo lanos, throwing in a turbo, and trying to make it look like a Ferrari.

  205. jtz Says:

    February 26th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    What kind of Daewoo is it? What color is it? Why is it $75 bucks? What’s the milage? Did you take it to Car Facts? What kind of tires are on it? Does it have passnger air bags? How much HP will it have once you put in that hood scoop? Will it beat a WRX? What made you want a Daewoo over a Honda, Toyota or Chevy? Do you think it will last? Do you think the Quality will satisfiy you at such cheap cost? Does it have a rear spoiler? What does the interior look like? What’s the mpg? Does this make your car insurance rate increase or decrease? Are you worried it could get stolen? What if it gets stolen? What if it breaks down? Is this 100% covered by your insurance company if you get in an accident? How are the breaks? Did you have any problem with it yet? If so what? Do you plan on taking it to its every three months oil change? If not do you know how to give it oil changes? Is this Daewoo under warrenty? How does it drive on the road? Is it comfortable or smooth? Is the engine loud? What do the rims look like? Are you getting Xon lights on it? How much does it take to gas up from an empty tank? Are the seats comfortable? Does it have a sunroof? How is the paint job? Do you think it can beat the 2002 Spectra (I know it can’t beat my Forte SX)?

  206. Greg Says:

    February 27th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    Seriously jtz? You responded to that? Everyone else here knows this guy is not the Dan who owns this car, as we are not stupid, and after 3 posts just antagonizing, you finally post something. I am disappointed. Now this loser is just going to continue being an ass. Obviously he knows not much about cars – SRT4s don’t have torque steer, they are RWD. He is just a troll. Creative, but a troll.

  207. jtz Says:

    February 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Ahhhhh don’t worry greg let the new Daewoo owner who isn’t the real Dan post. After all, the Real dan probally going to trade in his old Rio for the 2012 one that will tackle down the Daewoo Sonic, Fiesta and whatever else is in its class. You see Greg, the fake dan is scared because we have 2 days before the 3rd generation Rio is about to be at Geneva. You see he ain’t posted on anything new just on this 3 or 4 year old artilce. You see, as Kia gets better and better, fake dan will just be wind down further and further into the passed (I call it the Kia Sephia years). It’s like comparing DOS to Windows or an old Apple Computer from the 90′s to a new Toshiba. Or A Motorola Xoom computer Tablet to the first generation Labtop. The past is the past and fake dan is trapped in the past. To him, it’s 1999.

  208. Jose Luis Says:

    March 1st, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Dan.
    I have a Kia Rio 2005 1.3L. I’m interesting toi know how can i increase the performance of the engine.
    I feel a little slow but i don’t interesting to chance it to a street racer.
    What kind of engine part’s can i buy to better the performance.
    Thanks.

  209. Kia Sucks Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 1:49 am

    “SRT4s don’t have torque steer, they are RWD”

    Please tell me you are joking.

  210. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 2:16 am

    You see greg his true identiy came. From Fake dan to Kia Sucks and you see the guy is still on this 4 year old article. How is it being in year 1999? Tell me. the Rio evolved into a real killer.

  211. Greg Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 am

    I was thinking SRT8, my bad.

  212. Kia Sucks Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 3:36 am

    Kia sucks.

  213. Kia Sucks Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 5:17 am

    The Rio evolved into a real killer? Please bring one to race my WRX. Im begging you

  214. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 am

    WRX? No need, the Veloster will be ready to tackle your WRX since the Rio ain’t out yet. You did know that Hyundai’s Veloster is in the Rally Race with your WRX didn’t you? It’ll be ready for your WRX. kIA hATER.

  215. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 am

    I come Hyundai/Kia Haters brign on!!!!

  216. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:17 am

    Oh yeah, and the K9 will be ready to tackle down sUBARU’S RWD COUPE THAT IS COMING IN 2013. So come on brign on!!!! The Optima will tackle down that Legacy. The Sorento is ready for the Trebecaa and the Sportage will eat that Forester for breakfast. The Genesis coupe is ready for Subaru’s RWD coupe from Toyota. The Veloster has come up ready for the WRX. It can easily tackle the Honda CR-Z. And you think the Mazda CX-5 wannabe Infinti EX is going to do something Please. I told ja this ain’t 1999 anymore. Kia-worlds’ come to party like it’s 2013 now. So come on bring it on.!!! Oh yeah and Kia hater, the Rio may not be able to tackle your WRX but it can tackle the Yaris, Fiesta, Fit, Sonic, Versa and any other ECONOMY CAR IN ITS CLASS. The Forte Coupe is more a match with that WRX. But since you so corny you want to get Kia’s economy car with a diesel that has 88.9 mpgs and don’t want to get a more of a performce Kia to race your WRX. Of course your WRX would beat the Rio. Lets see your wrx take on the Veloseter. Or are you coward?

  217. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:20 am

    Yeah boy it’s a Korean car in the WRX’s rally now. It’s called the Veloster. So bring on!!! What you go do now, commet for another 5 years when the Kee comes into production? Or When Hyundai/Kia beats VW in sales globally? That’s all you are are words. I’m done commeting on this 4 year old 1000 commet article. I’m about to look at that K9 again.

  218. jtz Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:21 am

    You can say whatever the hell you wanna say now. I’m going to ignore you.

  219. Kia Sucks Says:

    March 2nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Kia blows, hyundai blows. end of story. keep telling yourself they dont if it makes you feel better chump.

  220. Greg Says:

    March 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Give proof. Because we have all the proof we need. We don’t need a WRX, nobody does. One of the top 10 wastes of money ever. I have better things to spend my money on…like a wife and kids. I am not ashamed to drive a Kia, I have 139,000 problem-free miles on my Kia. How would that be if it “blows” so much? If you hate Kia so much, why are you on a Kia site? You have to pick on other people to try to make yourself feel better about blowing your money. GTFO.

  221. jtz Says:

    March 3rd, 2011 at 5:46 am

    You see Greg, he says Hyundai and Kia blows, but since HKAG are so good with their products now, he/she/it can’t really tell you any details of why a Kia or Hyundai sucks in 2011. Like if Kia sucks why did the Forte Koup come in second in the race last year? Why is the Veloster going into rally? Why is the Sonata top ten best selling cars in the States? why is Hyundai/Kia outselling Ford, Nissan and Huh-da globally? If they suck why is the Soul outsling the cube. Why is it that the Cadenza can out perform the Lexus ES in a 0 to 60 race? Why is it that the Genesis won car of the year? why is it that Hyundai and Kia have plants here in the States? Why is it that HKAG are coming out with their own hybrids, unlike Mazda, Nissan and Honda that borrows hybrids from Toyota? If HKAG sucks why is it that Peterschyer left Audi for Kia? If HKAG sucks why is it that Hyundai and Kia broke a record in sells last month. If HKAG sucks why is it that the Sorento was the first Korean CUV to sell over 100,000 units in the states? If HKAG sucks why is it that the Sonata was the first Korean sedan to sell well over 100,000 units in the States? If HKAG sucks why is it that for 3 years in a row a Hyundai or a Kia concept gained a lot of attention at the auto shows now? Why is it that everyone else is copying HKAG’s strategy by increasing the warrenties? If HKAG sucks why is it that they are making their own BMW, MERCEDES, and AUDI rivals? If HKAG sucks why are you on here? If HKAG sucks why is it that the Forte won car of the year? Why is it that the Elantra is more likly to gain better sales than the Civic? Why is it that the Veloster is more likly to take sales from the CR-Z. If HKAG sucks why is it that the Soul won Red dot design? Why did the Venga win after that? If HKAG sucks why is it that the Sportage received a high rating so high it beat the Outlander and Juke? Of HKAG sucks why is it that Hyunndai’s quilty has been above advrage since Gas prices were above $2.00 a gallon? If HKAG sucks why is it that the Rondo outsold the Mazda 5? If HKAG why is it that the Optima is in so high of demand that Europe has to wait another year? If HKAG sucks why is it that the Optima will now be build here in the states? If HKAG sucks why is it that they make engines and transmissions for mitsubishi and Chrysler? If HKAG sucks why is it that the HM had some technologies taken from it for Chery? Why is it that Mercedes wanted Hyundai’s engines and tranmissions for their A and B segment cars? Why is it that the IFlow and Ray have very good technologies? Why is that huh? If HKAG sucks why did the Genesis put the G8 to death? Why did Kia take over most of Saturn’s dealerships? Why is that huh?

  222. kia resale sucks Says:

    March 12th, 2011 at 4:24 am

    what the hell is HKAG? sounds like a disease.

  223. jtz Says:

    March 12th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    HKAG outsells Toyota in China and in Europe but they suck. You know this hater doens’t have any reason why HKAG sucks today. I mean sure you can say something like 10 years ago but today is pretty difficult to find something to support what Kia resale sucks says. Oh, yeah, 10 years ago, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Chrysler, Ford, Chevy were POSs too…… but since they are not Korean, haters are going to pretend that these manuacturers were just as good then then they are now while acting like the Daewoo Cruze is not Korean. Right Kia Resale sucks?
    After all, if GM was all that 10 years ago, why did it have to go Bankrupt like Chrysler? If only HKAG sucked 10 years ago, why isn’t Isuzu on sell anymore? If HKAG were the only ones that sucked, why is it that Mitsubishi got rid of the Montero? Why is it that? Why is it that GM replaced their C segment Caviler and Cobalt with S. Korean engines and designs? If Only HKAG sucked 10 years ago, why is it that the VW Phaeton didn’t do so well? Why is it that Infinti got rid of the Q sedan? Why is it that the Dodge Stratus is dead and the Neon and the Rio and Sportage are still here? If HKAG only sucked 10 years ago, what happend to Saturn? What happend to Oldmobile? What happend to Mercury? What happend to Suzuki’s sells? HOw quickly we forget Suzuki used to sell over 100,000 units a year in the States and being just underneath Kia in sales 10 years ago. Now it’s not even close to Kia’s sales.. How quickly do we forget about the mitsubishi Mirage. How quickly did we forget about those 10 or 15 years ago. But since those manufactuers are not Korean, only HKAG sucked 10 years ago….. ignoring the others and acting like their resale value 10 years ago was PERFECT!!! Also, I see more Kia sephias on the road than Mirages

  224. JonnyGC8 Says:

    April 11th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    This thread is all so win.

    Tier 1: Mercedes, Lexus, BMW

    Tier 2: Toyota, Mitsu, Subaru,

    Tier 3: Daewoo, Hundai, Kia

    they’re just made to different specs based on the demographic they’re selling to. i spose a Kia Rio can be modded to tackle Civics or something. I don’t know hell about cars, but i do know that the Kia Rio is marketed as one of the cheapest NEW cars you can roll off the dealer’s lot in; i think the first model was like $7999 new; the stock quality is just… cheap. After maybe $40,000 in mods, you could replace it all and make it half-way formidable against Hondas, or Toyotas, but at that cost, why not just buy the TOP OF THE LINE WRX STI WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES POSSIBLE?

    In terms of a modded Kia, rock on dude, but consider a transfer case atleast?

  225. Mike Says:

    August 16th, 2011 at 5:01 am

    I’m very surprised indeed it is a Kia. My first experience wasn’t great either.

    But you definitely know what’s up, by swapping the Mazda parts into it, the two engines are mechanically similar indeed.

    Everyone discusses your bodykit ONLY, overlooking the fact that there is more engineering and mix-match of engine parts than what anyone is willing to do here, even on a Honda.

    Over-bore, stroked, high comp + Turbo? That’s boss, no other Kia owner would do it. Only you would’ve thought of using the BP stuff to make it happen. Everything down to the head bolts are done right. Nothing from this engine is stock apart from the blocks, casings, and maybe the alternator.

    The amount of work on this drivetrain makes my ZC-swapped CRX look like a piece of cake.

  226. Josh Kia Fan Says:

    August 18th, 2011 at 5:40 am

    Hey man, i want to cruise sunset boulevard with JTZ in our Kia’s haha. just bought mine about a month ago and love it.

  227. Dan (as well) Says:

    August 27th, 2011 at 4:27 am

    Dan,

    Nice car. No idea kias came with factory body kits. Subie guys are idiots.. yea its a kia so what? You built it not just handed over money.. let em talk shit they’re jelous they don’t have the mechanical aptitude to work on they’re cars. Is it “better than a sti” well it what sense? Uniqueness? Yes. Gas milage? Probobly traction? No handling? Maybe because its about 700lbs less lol but probobly not.

    You wrx sti guys are all the same. “My cars the best”. I smack you guys around in my dodge caliber lmao! From a dig? No. But from 25mph+ your looking at my big huge ugly taillights. 330 WHEEL hp > 300 CRANK hp.

    Your attitudes sicken me. I want a sti because I like the cars but they aren’t “the best” and who gives you guys the right to critisize dan anyway? He offered to run a few of you but no one wanted to loose to a KIA!

    Face it subies.. his car is badass. Yes badass. A badass kia. Yes. Just accept it.

  228. jtz Says:

    August 28th, 2011 at 5:22 am

    Wow no negative commets yet? After what I said? What gives? I love a good argument every now and then. I guess the 2013 Rio shut them up. Or was it me? Naaaa it was the 2011 Kia line up that shut them up. And that RWD Suburu concept better come out strong because Kia’s RWD concept is ready to kick some a$$. So come on Subbie fans bring it!!! The K9 is readyto whip that a**. I guess Suburu and Toyota thought they just had the Genesis coupe to worry about. Oh and you can talk about Dan’s 2001 Rio all you want too. But can you criticize the 3rd generation Rio or are you going to act like it’s 1999 when Mitsubishi, Scion, Isuzu, Pontiac, Chevy ,Subaru and Suzuki was crap? Some of them are still crap today. Unlike HKAG.

  229. jtz Says:

    August 28th, 2011 at 5:33 am

    Oh and the 2nd Generation Forte will be waiting for the WRX. But because of that Patty Brandy women it aint on Kia-world. I look at it this way. I wouldn’t pay them a dime. Because after it’s unveiled that spy photo ain’t worth a dime a nickel. Wait to the 2nd generation Forte Koup comes out. It’llbe ready for that Civic coupe and that Scion TC. I’m jtz have a nice day. Come haters post “the Kareans are always copying” or somthing. Where the haters at? Bring it!!! I need a another reason to list 500 Japense look alikes to the kitchen table.

  230. Kia fanboys make me facepalm Says:

    September 15th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Okay kia fanboys listen here. Subie guys are not in any way idiots. STI’s are a WAY more unique car then some kia that copies the look of an STI. Its not miles per gallon, but instead miles per smile when talking about a sports car. One doesn’t buy a sports car based on mpg, you could simply get a prius for that. And handling and traction no question better in the STI. We don’t think our cars are the best, we just know which cars they are better than. STI>Kia… Have fun burning some rice you kia fanboys :P

  231. kiablows Says:

    October 14th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    kia sucks. period. stop disgracing the WRX and STi by mentioning them in the same sentence as shitty ass disposable kia garbage.

  232. Tim Says:

    November 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    I have been reading these comments and id like to say dan you really have a great car and you arent comparing it with subarus. In fact subarus have just as many problems as kias. But then people have different taste and just like you i am tuning my own rio while also trying to keep up with my 1970 chevelle. The haters on here are just jealous cause they either know nothing of high performance and tuning or are just tuning challenged. They should just get off your back about it because your car is now apart of the tuner world. I believe kia is eventually going to out perform hondas and subarus because they are becoming very popular. Im not to much of an import guy but I see where import guys are coming from. Same concept like any 6 or 8 cylinder car. Hope your kia is doin good.

  233. jtz Says:

    November 16th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    Yeah well see about that subie fanboy. Just wait until the GT coupe is unveiled at Detroit. It would whip that RWD Subbie’s ass. You right the Rio ain’t a sports car idiot. So lets wait for the 2013 Kia Forte Koup to whip that overated ugly STi. Warning jtz aint your average Kia fanboy. I tell it like it is. Like how Mazda surpassed Subaru sales last month. Bring it on Subaru fans the 2012 Genesis coupe, Volester, 2013 Forte Koup, GT and K9 will whip Subaru’s ass. The Sorento is whipping the Terbecca’s and the Sportage is whipping the Forester’s. And the Legacy is afraid of an ass whipping agaist the 2.0l Turbo Optima. It’ll beat the WRX too. So bring on!!! I’m jtz have a nice day losers. P.S the 2013 Kia Pro cee’d will be waiting at the finishline punks.

  234. jtz Says:

    November 16th, 2011 at 1:59 am

    Bring it on Subaru!!!! Optima VS Lagacy. Sportage Vs Forester. Also the Rio ain’t a rival to the WRX. That’s the Forte’s job. I can sniff a coward when someone compares a B segment car to a C segment. So go ahead Subbie fan keep telling yourself Kia only makes one model the Rio and acting like the Forte Koup ain’t whipping ass at the Kinect race and the Kia GT was just your imagination. Warning don’t go there with copying I can cars from Japan you never thought copied. So try me 2012 models have been revealed. That new Subaru copied the Caliber.

  235. jtz Says:

    November 16th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    “One doesn’t buy a sports car based on mpg, ”

    Your an idiot don’t you know Mazda’s goal is to have groundbreaking mpg without sacrificing mpg? Why else is it that the Mazda 3 is the first car in its class to give you 40mpg with sports performance. You are a dumbass. People want both mpg and sportness. that’s why Mazda is outselling Subaru now. Idiot. You can use that Tsunomi bull shit all you want too. Nissan, Mazda and Mitsubishi ain’t effected. Last I checked Japan was on a island. So wouldn’t Mazda, Nissan and Mitsubishi get effected in sales like Toyota and Honda too? Oh yeah, Kia’s and Hyundai’s customer loyalty surpassed Subaru now. Lol. Bring it ON!!! OH and tell Subaru that their first RWD coupe ain’t got nothing on what Kia has planned with their RWD coupe made to whip that ass. BRING IT ON. I love a good fight!!! I ain’t your average fanboy. I’m jtz and in 15 days, I”m comparing Subaru sales to Kias. I bet you Subaru sales decline again. When will Subaru get it throught their think skulls that boring is outdated?

  236. jtz Says:

    November 16th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Bring it on!!!! You want to challenge a Subaru against a Kia. Ok. challenge the Legacy up agaisnt the OPTIMA. The Optima would smoke that a**. Better yet challenge that Tribecca agasint the Sorento SX. Let’s so who’s AWD is better off road. Bring it on SUBARU fanboy. I’m jtz. You want to compare a Kia to a subaru? Ok. wait until the COUPE is unveiled and compare that agisnt your boring RWD Scion 86 coupe clone. What’s wrong scared? Bring it on Subaru!!! But if you wanna go ahead and compare the Rio to your STI go ahead the 2012 Rio sedan, 3 door, hatch and K2 won’t turn down a challenge. They’re not scared. Sure they may be economy cars and would easily whip the Yaris, Fit and Versa’s ass but they wouldn’t be scared of no STI neither. Bring it on this ain’t 2001 no more!!

  237. jtz Says:

    November 16th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Ya’llcome back now hear!!! Because when you come back, I’ll tell you what Kia’s RWD coupe is going to have in the engine in January. I’ll tell you how much horsepower it has. Bring it on!!! You want sportyness Kia’s got plenty. After all, that 3.3L V6 395 horsepower ain’t in that RWD Kia GT for nothing. And if you still wanna bitch wait for the unveiling of the K9 romoured to have a 5 liter V8 engine big enough to tackle the BMW 7 Series and Lexus LS wayyyyy abouve Subaru. BRING IT ON!!! And tell to stop braging about that GS the GT will tackle that Lexus in a hearbeat. Just like the K7 can out due that ES in a 0 to 60 challenge. Bring it Toyota fans!!! I’m ready for all y’all. Even “huu76″ from Autospies. Oh yeah as for electric cars, tell mitsubishi Kia’s Niamo will be ready to tackle that PX-MIev electric CUV. So bring it on Mitsubishi!!! And the Sportage is ready to tackle tougher rivals such as the 2012 Escape, Mazda MX-5 and 2012 CR-V not punk and boring CUVs like that Forester and old folks ride.

  238. jtz Says:

    December 2nd, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Hello all you Subaru fanboys. I’m back. So you guys want to compare a Kia to a Subaru huh? Will Today is the day we can compare Kia sales to Subaru sales. Lets begin shall we? First lets go with the Forte Vs. Impreza. In Novermber Kia sold 4,145 Kia Fortes to Subaru’s pathatic 1412 Impreza sales. Next lets go agasint the Sorento and the Tribeca. The Sorento sold 9,533 units while the Tribeca sold 231 units. Next letgs go with the Optima vs. the Legacy shall we? Optima sold a total of 9,533 units while the Legacy sold 2892 units. I guess Subie fans do have some good news with the Forester outselling Kia’s Sportage. Forester sold 5,829 units, and the Sportage, 4,000 units. So out of all those units Subie only outsold one Kia and that’s the Sportage. But don’t worry Kia is having demand problems that’s why the Sportage sells is under subbie. If or when the Sportage were to be build in Georgia with Optima and Sorento, it would have beat that a** like all the Other Kia’s are whipping Subbi’s a**. So bring it on Subbie!!! The GT coupe will be ready to tackle that a** at the NAIAS. Oh yeah and Kia’s GT ain’t no cloned Genesis coupe neither. Bring it on Suburu!!!!

  239. jtz Says:

    December 2nd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Oh Subie fans since you guys can’t talk about a Kia up to date anymore, I thought I bring the Ray up. You know how you guys say the Rio doesn’t have hp back in the day? Will now you guys can continue on about talking about a Kia in 2011 which is the Ray. So go ahead because you can’t talk about the Rio, Forte, Optima, Sportage, Cadenza, GT, K9, Naimo or the Sedona. So bring it on Subaru!!!! I’m jtz have a nice day!!!

  240. jtz Says:

    December 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I just saw the unveiling of the production version the the Subaru GT clone. Between the 3 clones the Scion looks the best but darn did it get watered down to just something that will age in 6 or 7 months. But don’t worry Kia’s GT is gonna whip so a** once it arrives. And when it arrives, I’m going to compare EVER SIGNLE spec between the GT and SUBARU cloned coupe from hp, torque, speed, features and mpg. And then I’m gonna place them alll on here. So go ahead stay in year 2001 and ignore that the 2012 Kia Rio ain’t already on sell. The next Sedona is about to be unveiled and kick so a** too. It’ll show that sieenna where it can put it. That Odessey too. And tell Chrysler what the heck were they thinking when they made that van. I bet you the next Sedona will be the fastest van and getting out of that ugly, slow accelerating, boring, big, stupid looking traditional trademark of a minivan. After all look at the KV7. Nothing like that stupid ugly, dumb, slow acclerating, annoying, always want to be in the fastlane on the highway look. NOpe, the KV7 is mean, nasty, scary, grounbreaking powerful and different. So bring it on minivans. Kia’s next Sedona is about to be unveiled really really soon. And tell Toyota that Venza better get ready for the next Carens. I’d be scared if I were Toyota. There’s no telling what the hell that Carens looks like. So bring it on Subbie, Honda and Toyota fanboys… bring it on!!!! Oh yeah and Kia’s K9 is ready to kick that Lexus GS’s behind. Also tell Dodge to get ready for the Kia GT. Tell GM to get ready for a good tackle agasint the Camero with the GT since the Challenger can’t seem to get the job done. Korean sports cars are coming and they ain’t no joke. Or my name ain’t jtz……. Oh yeah and the 2013 Kia Forte will be ready for the Subbie WRX. So bring it on!!!!

  241. chuck Says:

    December 9th, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Hey ok I’m buying a 2002 kia rio would dan or any of you kia rio owners please email me I gotta few ?s

  242. Shin Says:

    December 24th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    I drive a stage 2 WRX myself but I really respect the amount of work and dedication you’ve put into your car, whether it’s a Kia or a Subaru, I think car tuners have a lot in common including the wish to make something better than stock and to enjoy the thrill of seeing your car evolve. You’ve obviously worked very hard to make your Rio a quick little car and I imagine it’s probably twice as fast as it used to be and even though it’s not my car, that’s a very exciting feeling for me, even as an observer.

    Can’t wait for your 20 psi dyno sheet =)

  243. Kevin Says:

    December 29th, 2011 at 4:14 am

    @dan i have to say that you sir are good at what you do and for all these wannabes that do nothing but try to bring down other people, well i dont think you would be saying that in front of the guy. I own a 02 kia rio, 3000gt twin, and my fav a viper. I have the kia for my wife and she loves the car than my viper. So for you, people that wanna rag on this guy for making his car better than yours. Dont get mad, tune your car, get on the track like i did and post your video. Other than that, shut the fuck up and walk away. Oh if wanna question why a 23 year old has 3 cars, you can thank yourself for paying your taxes to the government because being an officer in the army has its major benefits, also saving up. good day everyone!

  244. Juan Says:

    January 12th, 2012 at 2:57 am

    I have been trying to find a way to research to purchase a turbo kit for my 03 Rio but the links for MT Engineering seems to be out of date.

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